Elite - Braben and Bell on TV Friday C5 7.30 ish - Page 2

Shoonay · 23 August 2008, 00:09

damn, it still says my region i blocked

wonder if youtube's convertion engine can handle signed wmv's/asf's

(the extensions is *.wmv but when i've tried opening this in the newest virtualdub it said it's an *.asf and thus isn't supported

)

works for you tonyyeb?

tonyyeb · 23 August 2008, 00:14

Yes but i'm in the UK. Ill see if it can be converted to another format.

EDIT: Nope. It is DRM'd. Can't convert using SA Media Convertor.

Charlie · 23 August 2008, 01:48

Interesting program - thanks for the link.

Maybe a tad inaccurate in places & sadly the usual shallow style of documentary that seems to be all too common these days...
...still I enjoyed watching it.

Now comes the whinge:
-Bloody, bloody, bloody b*stards of the media industry.
-Bloody, bloody, bloody miserable M$ for not having the balls to tell them to get stuffed.
-Bloody, bloody, bloody b*stard modern application engineers...
...I nearly couldn't be bothered to watch this at all.

Why?
-F**king bloody DRM & the idiots stuck in the last century who don't get that modern technology enables new opportunities for distributing media NOT a new challenge for how to protect their tiny-minded bottom-line, so p*ssing off their potential customers by making their computers quite deliberately so much less than they could be.
-D*mn M$ for supporting these vested interests over their own customers instead of having the vision to lead these idiots out of their entrenched stupidity - I'll never use Vista (having tried it).
-D*mn the modern software developers who only ever think 'wouldn't it be cool if...' which always leads to time-wasting & counter-intuitive eye-candy for the frustrated user while unnesisarily eating into finite system resources!
Don't any of these stupid buggers realise that good software should be like a good waiter who goes about his work efficiently, almost unnoticed by the customer?

What am I on about?
My PC is already set up the way I want it - within the constraints of unfortunate systems practices.
So why in the hell did I have to go through the following just to view a streamed proggie?
-First I'm told to download a Firefox plugin to read the chosen format - ok, I'll let that one go...
-Then I'm told I need to 'upgrade' to WMP11 & am given no choice. WHY? WMP9 is just as capable of displaying the 'video' AND takes up rather less space on my HDD - Lets not get onto the subject of there being far better media players out there anyway which I may have preferred to use as per my current set up.
-So against my better judgement (I do know what's going on here) I 'upgrade' to WMP11 only to find the streamed format is calling for yet another 'upgrade' - grrrr, b*stards!!! I know what you're up to...
-So I do more of the DRM thing like the good brain-washed automaton that I am, only to have to sit through a bunch of unnecessary horse-sh*t that obviously was spewed from the sad little mind of a systems programmer who felt the need to show off their meagre skills while assuming (like them) I'm such a dumb-ass that I'd require or enjoy their pointless little tour of their cleverness'.

Hmmm, once again I feel soiled.

Zetr0 · 23 August 2008, 02:13

@Charlie

*ahem.... *clears throat... ... *ahh ahh ahem.....

have a look at this link

It feels good not to be alone....

Charlie · 23 August 2008, 09:37

Thanks Zetr0
Looks like I had a pretty good rant there!
It is indeed good not to be alone.

alexh · 23 August 2008, 09:37

I'm sorry but I am a strong believer in DRM.

And it "just worked" here.

Galahad/FLT · 23 August 2008, 10:39

DRM is a load of wank frankly, not just as an idea, but in execution.

As its so pititifully easy to circumvent, one wonders why they waste the time and money in its implementation.

Shoonay · 23 August 2008, 10:39

DRM worked here indeed but like everything it is not perfect.
The good old "record/write the contents of the output" method, may not work so good with movies and is kinda troublesome but it's one example, before someone get's us a crack

Works perfectly with music...

stainy · 23 August 2008, 16:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonyyeb

How about this:

rtsp://scds65.lon.llnw.net/a800/o1/bthttp/five/downloadstore/britswhomadethemodernworld/movies/Brits-Who-Made-The-Modern-World_S1_E3_Episode-3_STREAM.wmv

Opens in WMP.

Can`t get this.. says rtsp isn`t a registered protocal

alexh · 23 August 2008, 17:20

If you are in the UK, just watch it on the regular VOD

http://demand.five.tv/Episode.aspx?e...me=C5134750003

ant512 · 23 August 2008, 17:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexh

I'm sorry but I am a strong believer in DRM.

And it "just worked" here.

Unfortunately, there's no way I can install WMP on my MacBook. So, on the platform where everything "just works", this really doesn't.

DRM's brilliant!

alexh · 23 August 2008, 18:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by ant512

Unfortunately, there's no way I can install WMP on my MacBook.

Not entirely true but I know what you mean

jmmijo · 23 August 2008, 18:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galahad/FLT

DRM is a load of wank frankly, not just as an idea, but in execution.

As its so pititifully easy to circumvent, one wonders why they waste the time and money in its implementation.

Because the average Joe/Jane doesn't know how to circumvent DRM nor do they want to take the time to learn how, remember that the masses are asses and just want to be spoon fed and just have things work for the most part

Photon · 24 August 2008, 05:20

Would be most interesting to view this clip, even for people outside the UK (can you believe that!?) OK </hate> but if someone can give a link to a working movie I'd be ever so thankful.

Solid Snake · 24 August 2008, 14:42

I just watched the doc "Brits Who Made The Modern World - series1 - episode3 - computer games. A nicely put together doc on computer gaming.

Elite - a truly groundbreaking game that has been copied often but rarely beaten. A brilliant game which on release appeared in a C4 news report hosted by Jon Snow. It really is amazing how they managed to fit this game into 32Kb of ram.

Back in 1985, me and my older brother visited Dixons and purchased a BBC Micro Model B, a Saisho tape player and a juicy boxed copy of ELITE!

Acornsoft must have made a packet selling copies of ELITE. I remember shops stocking boxes of the game. I played this game until I achieved the elusive elite status. I wrote down the in-game code and sent off for the silver elite badge, which was really cool at the time.

A year passed and along came the best 8-bit computer EVER, the Commodore 64! Firebird handled the conversion of the C64 version of ELITE and was not as fast as the Beeb version. But, it had more colour and docking music!

Why has David Braben/Ian Bell not made a modern version of this game?

gimbal · 24 August 2008, 14:51

I feel like such an arse for never having played Elite

Which version is the best one to play?

Shoonay · 24 August 2008, 14:54

don't worry gimby, there's lots or arses like us!

oh, wait...

Merlin · 24 August 2008, 14:58

You could play the modern version, Oolite....

http://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Oolite_Main_Page

There's truckloads of add-ons for this version as well, and the 3D is amazing....

gimbal · 24 August 2008, 15:04

nooooooo. Retro version please. Is the Amiga version any good? I seem to remember reading it is crap compared to the C64 one.

alexh · 24 August 2008, 15:33

The Acorn Archimedes plus version is the best of the retro versions.

24 August 2008, 15:33	#40
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,337	The Acorn Archimedes plus version is the best of the retro versions. Last edited by alexh; 24 August 2008 at 15:40.

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23 August 2008, 00:09	#21
Shoonay Global Caturator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Porando Age: 43 Posts: 6,105	damn, it still says my region i blocked wonder if youtube's convertion engine can handle signed wmv's/asf's (the extensions is .wmv but when i've tried opening this in the newest virtualdub it said it's an .asf and thus isn't supported ) works for you tonyyeb?

23 August 2008, 00:14	#22
tonyyeb Has the Amiga bug again Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Hull, UK Age: 43 Posts: 791	Yes but i'm in the UK. Ill see if it can be converted to another format. EDIT: Nope. It is DRM'd. Can't convert using SA Media Convertor.

23 August 2008, 01:48	#23
Charlie . . Mouse . . Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Nowhere Age: 55 Posts: 1,792	Interesting program - thanks for the link. Maybe a tad inaccurate in places & sadly the usual shallow style of documentary that seems to be all too common these days... ...still I enjoyed watching it. Now comes the whinge: -Bloody, bloody, bloody bstards of the media industry. -Bloody, bloody, bloody miserable M$ for not having the balls to tell them to get stuffed. -Bloody, bloody, bloody bstard modern application engineers... ...I nearly couldn't be bothered to watch this at all. Why? -F*king bloody DRM & the idiots stuck in the last century who don't get that modern technology enables new opportunities for distributing media NOT a new challenge for how to protect their tiny-minded bottom-line, so pssing off their potential customers by making their computers quite deliberately so much less than they could be. -Dmn M$ for supporting these vested interests over their own customers instead of having the vision to lead these idiots out of their entrenched stupidity - I'll never use Vista (having tried it). -Dmn the modern software developers who only ever think 'wouldn't it be cool if...' which always leads to time-wasting & counter-intuitive eye-candy for the frustrated user while unnesisarily eating into finite system resources! Don't any of these stupid buggers realise that good software should be like a good waiter who goes about his work efficiently, almost unnoticed by the customer? What am I on about? My PC is already set up the way I want it - within the constraints of unfortunate systems practices. So why in the hell did I have to go through the following just to view a streamed proggie? -First I'm told to download a Firefox plugin to read the chosen format - ok, I'll let that one go... -Then I'm told I need to 'upgrade' to WMP11 & am given no choice. WHY? WMP9 is just as capable of displaying the 'video' AND takes up rather less space on my HDD - Lets not get onto the subject of there being far better media players out there anyway which I may have preferred to use as per my current set up. -So against my better judgement (I do know what's going on here) I 'upgrade' to WMP11 only to find the streamed format is calling for yet another 'upgrade' - grrrr, bstards!!! I know what you're up to... -So I do more of the DRM thing like the good brain-washed automaton that I am, only to have to sit through a bunch of unnecessary horse-sht that obviously was spewed from the sad little mind of a systems programmer who felt the need to show off their meagre skills while assuming (like them) I'm such a dumb-ass that I'd require or enjoy their pointless little tour of their cleverness'. Hmmm, once again I feel soiled.

23 August 2008, 02:13	#24
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	@Charlie ahem.... clears throat... ... *ahh ahh ahem..... have a look at this link It feels good not to be alone....

23 August 2008, 09:37	#25
Charlie . . Mouse . . Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Nowhere Age: 55 Posts: 1,792	Thanks Zetr0 Looks like I had a pretty good rant there! It is indeed good not to be alone.

23 August 2008, 10:39	#27
Galahad/FLT Going nowhere Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: United Kingdom Age: 50 Posts: 8,986	DRM is a load of wank frankly, not just as an idea, but in execution. As its so pititifully easy to circumvent, one wonders why they waste the time and money in its implementation.

23 August 2008, 17:20	#30
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,337	If you are in the UK, just watch it on the regular VOD http://demand.five.tv/Episode.aspx?e...me=C5134750003

24 August 2008, 05:20	#34
Photon Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Eksjö / Sweden Posts: 5,602	Would be most interesting to view this clip, even for people outside the UK (can you believe that!?) OK </hate> but if someone can give a link to a working movie I'd be ever so thankful.

24 August 2008, 14:42	#35
Solid Snake Wonderful World Of Amiga Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 359	I just watched the doc "Brits Who Made The Modern World - series1 - episode3 - computer games. A nicely put together doc on computer gaming. Elite - a truly groundbreaking game that has been copied often but rarely beaten. A brilliant game which on release appeared in a C4 news report hosted by Jon Snow. It really is amazing how they managed to fit this game into 32Kb of ram. Back in 1985, me and my older brother visited Dixons and purchased a BBC Micro Model B, a Saisho tape player and a juicy boxed copy of ELITE! Acornsoft must have made a packet selling copies of ELITE. I remember shops stocking boxes of the game. I played this game until I achieved the elusive elite status. I wrote down the in-game code and sent off for the silver elite badge, which was really cool at the time. A year passed and along came the best 8-bit computer EVER, the Commodore 64! Firebird handled the conversion of the C64 version of ELITE and was not as fast as the Beeb version. But, it had more colour and docking music! Why has David Braben/Ian Bell not made a modern version of this game?

24 August 2008, 14:51	#36
gimbal cheeky scoundrel Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Spijkenisse/Netherlands Age: 42 Posts: 6,908	I feel like such an arse for never having played Elite Which version is the best one to play?

24 August 2008, 14:54	#37
Shoonay Global Caturator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Porando Age: 43 Posts: 6,105	don't worry gimby, there's lots or arses like us! oh, wait...

24 August 2008, 14:58	#38
Merlin AmiBay MegaMod Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Manchester, UK Age: 62 Posts: 1,163	You could play the modern version, Oolite.... http://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Oolite_Main_Page There's truckloads of add-ons for this version as well, and the 3D is amazing....

24 August 2008, 15:04	#39
gimbal cheeky scoundrel Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Spijkenisse/Netherlands Age: 42 Posts: 6,908	nooooooo. Retro version please. Is the Amiga version any good? I seem to remember reading it is crap compared to the C64 one.

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