Warp3d Radeon

deling · 15 December 2018, 12:02

Hi It is possible ? to write new w3d radeon driver ? We have a lot good coders on EAB for example , why for almost 17 years no body write drivers for this excellent card ? this is very sad

jurassicman · 15 December 2018, 14:20

That would be great.

I have a Radeon 9200 bought a few months ago and before buying it I didn't know that warp3d wasn't available for it.

I've been able to use wazp3d but I think that its compatibility with warp3d games is quite limited...

Wrangler · 15 December 2018, 21:07

Maybe cos it's really hard and will take days of someone's time? I've heard the underlying chipset is difficult to program. If there was some financial incentive then you are more likely to get some progress (and not by me - it's way beyond my skills).

Hedeon · 15 December 2018, 21:13

Is this regarding 68k or PPC? How fast is the voodoo in 3d on the 68k? I mean, is a Warp3D Radeon driver for 68k even fast enough to be of use?

grelbfarlk · 16 December 2018, 04:00

I think the other reason is not really performance but the Radeon 9200 is cheaper and more available than Voodoos. And since it hasn't been done yet, people can imagine that it will be a lot faster than it actually is.

slaapliedje · 13 March 2019, 23:20

I keep wondering if someone is going to do this, for me the problem is that Voodoo 3+ are expensive, and I'd like to keep my DVI out for my Radeon, plus I can use the memory as system memory. But at least hardware acceleration on the Radeon (which in theory should be faster than a Voodoo 5 since they're much newer cards) would be faster than software rendering, right?

Hedeon · 14 March 2019, 02:18

Do a speed test on OS4.1 classic with a Voodoo3/4/5 and also with a Radeon 9200.

I see that 3DMark 2000 for example place them within 10% from each other (with the Radeon winning). Voodoo3 is about 70% of the score of a Radeon 9200. Not sure how much the CPU comes into play to push data to the GPU in these cases.

Daedalus · 14 March 2019, 10:16

I would also expect it's more about availability, though even a little speed boost is welcome. Warp3D on 68k is just about enough for games like Descent: Freespace to be playable. An extra couple of FPS there would be most welcome.

However, thinking that a 3D driver would only take days to code is pretty naïve. It's a far bigger task than it might initially appear, which is probably why it hasn't happened before now. It also requires some very specific knowledge of the Warp3D driver system - some people might be competent coders, but have never written a driver before, and that would add a lot of extra time onto the process - time that's in very short supply for most users.

slaapliedje · 14 March 2019, 14:52

I thought I read at one point that large chunks of the driver for OS4 is from the Linux drivers, not sure if that is true or not, but that would mean large chunks of it are open source, also probably some gpl violations going on. I might be thinking of AROS or MorphOS though. Thought one of them was based on the Linux driver.

starship · 14 March 2019, 14:54

Is it possible to port os4.1 radeon 9200 warp3d driver without source? With patch or something?

Or from open source version of linux,windows or macos?

http://www.warp3d.net/linux

Solo Kazuki · 14 March 2019, 15:53

That's something different, just coincidence of names. This Linux/Windows/MacOS Warp3D is for simulation of large parts mainly made of metal for engineering and quality.

starship · 14 March 2019, 19:47

So only need os4.1 radeon source or os3.1 voodoo source. But it is very hard

starship · 21 June 2020, 10:48

https://github.com/RobDangerous/Quar...brary/Warp3D.h

Hedeon · 21 June 2020, 19:51

That's a link to a part of the Warp3D dev kit. Not sure what you mean by that.

I am very sure if the (political) will was there, a driver would be done in no time.

starship · 21 June 2020, 21:35

Maybe someday I stick to someone else to help.

15 December 2018, 12:02	#1
deling Registered User Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Moon Posts: 102	Warp3d Radeon 9200 OS3.9 ? Hi It is possible ? to write new w3d radeon driver ? We have a lot good coders on EAB for example , why for almost 17 years no body write drivers for this excellent card ? this is very sad Last edited by deling; 15 December 2018 at 12:15.

14 March 2019, 14:54	#10
starship Registered User Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: turkiye Posts: 212	Is it possible to port os4.1 radeon 9200 warp3d driver without source? With patch or something? Or from open source version of linux,windows or macos? http://www.warp3d.net/linux Last edited by starship; 14 March 2019 at 15:01.

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15 December 2018, 14:20	#2
jurassicman Registered User Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: Sassari/Italy Posts: 867	That would be great. I have a Radeon 9200 bought a few months ago and before buying it I didn't know that warp3d wasn't available for it. I've been able to use wazp3d but I think that its compatibility with warp3d games is quite limited...

15 December 2018, 21:07	#3
Wrangler Registered User Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: London, UK Posts: 414	Maybe cos it's really hard and will take days of someone's time? I've heard the underlying chipset is difficult to program. If there was some financial incentive then you are more likely to get some progress (and not by me - it's way beyond my skills).

15 December 2018, 21:13	#4
Hedeon Semi-Retired Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Leiden / The Netherlands Posts: 1,993	Is this regarding 68k or PPC? How fast is the voodoo in 3d on the 68k? I mean, is a Warp3D Radeon driver for 68k even fast enough to be of use?

16 December 2018, 04:00	#5
grelbfarlk Registered User Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: USA Posts: 2,902	I think the other reason is not really performance but the Radeon 9200 is cheaper and more available than Voodoos. And since it hasn't been done yet, people can imagine that it will be a lot faster than it actually is.

13 March 2019, 23:20	#6
slaapliedje Registered User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Utah, USA Posts: 516	I keep wondering if someone is going to do this, for me the problem is that Voodoo 3+ are expensive, and I'd like to keep my DVI out for my Radeon, plus I can use the memory as system memory. But at least hardware acceleration on the Radeon (which in theory should be faster than a Voodoo 5 since they're much newer cards) would be faster than software rendering, right?

14 March 2019, 02:18	#7
Hedeon Semi-Retired Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Leiden / The Netherlands Posts: 1,993	Do a speed test on OS4.1 classic with a Voodoo3/4/5 and also with a Radeon 9200. I see that 3DMark 2000 for example place them within 10% from each other (with the Radeon winning). Voodoo3 is about 70% of the score of a Radeon 9200. Not sure how much the CPU comes into play to push data to the GPU in these cases.

14 March 2019, 10:16	#8
Daedalus Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Dublin, then Glasgow Posts: 6,334	I would also expect it's more about availability, though even a little speed boost is welcome. Warp3D on 68k is just about enough for games like Descent: Freespace to be playable. An extra couple of FPS there would be most welcome. However, thinking that a 3D driver would only take days to code is pretty naïve. It's a far bigger task than it might initially appear, which is probably why it hasn't happened before now. It also requires some very specific knowledge of the Warp3D driver system - some people might be competent coders, but have never written a driver before, and that would add a lot of extra time onto the process - time that's in very short supply for most users.

14 March 2019, 14:52	#9
slaapliedje Registered User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Utah, USA Posts: 516	I thought I read at one point that large chunks of the driver for OS4 is from the Linux drivers, not sure if that is true or not, but that would mean large chunks of it are open source, also probably some gpl violations going on. I might be thinking of AROS or MorphOS though. Thought one of them was based on the Linux driver.

14 March 2019, 15:53	#11
Solo Kazuki Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Poland Posts: 1,301	That's something different, just coincidence of names. This Linux/Windows/MacOS Warp3D is for simulation of large parts mainly made of metal for engineering and quality.

14 March 2019, 19:47	#12
starship Registered User Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: turkiye Posts: 212	So only need os4.1 radeon source or os3.1 voodoo source. But it is very hard

21 June 2020, 10:48	#13
starship Registered User Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: turkiye Posts: 212	https://github.com/RobDangerous/Quar...brary/Warp3D.h

21 June 2020, 19:51	#14
Hedeon Semi-Retired Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Leiden / The Netherlands Posts: 1,993	That's a link to a part of the Warp3D dev kit. Not sure what you mean by that. I am very sure if the (political) will was there, a driver would be done in no time.

21 June 2020, 21:35	#15
starship Registered User Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: turkiye Posts: 212	Maybe someday I stick to someone else to help.

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