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Old 19 October 2018, 18:44   #1
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Monkey Island 1 & 2 versions comparisons

I strongly disagree with everyone who has suggested Monkey Island 1 & 2. The Amiga versions of these games were crap!
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Old 19 October 2018, 19:26   #2
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I strongly disagree with everyone who has suggested Monkey Island 1 & 2. The Amiga versions of these games were crap!

Compared to what? PC??
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Old 20 October 2018, 09:04   #3
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I strongly disagree with everyone who has suggested Monkey Island 1 & 2. The Amiga versions of these games were crap!
I finally tried Monkey Island 1 a while ago, and I couldn't see what all the fuss was about. Maybe I don't like the subject matter, or that I thought the humour was too obvious, or most likely because I don't like adventure games, with USE and TALK TO and EXAMINE and all that stuff. SCUMM might've made it easier, but like Hewitson (although I wouldn't use the same language as him) I certainly think Monkey Island as a franchise is overrated, massively.
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Old 20 October 2018, 10:23   #4
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Monkey Island 1 is one of the best games ever made, and the Amiga version is probably the best due to music being superior to all other versions. Graphics are acceptable compared to VGA. This, as long as you don't play it on floppies on a 68000 A500. There, the PC version with much faster loading beats the Amiga version as it becomes frustrating.
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Old 20 October 2018, 13:18   #5
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I find your definition of "crap" rather questionable to say the least. Care to elaborate why both games are crap for you?

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Old 20 October 2018, 13:27   #6
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Perhaps he's comparing the re-drawn PC re-release, which looks great, but obviously isn't contemporary with the Amiga version.

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Old 20 October 2018, 13:38   #7
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original PC release has 256 colors. Amiga graphics are dithered to match 32 colors. At least it's not 16 ST port colors...

Yesteryear 256 chunky VGA PC beat the ECS amiga on the color aspect (also see Flashback) but the lack of standard soundcard made that Amiga sound was better. That's not only for Monkey Island.
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Old 20 October 2018, 13:45   #8
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original PC release has 256 colors. Amiga graphics are dithered to match 32 colors. At least it's not 16 ST port colors...

Yesteryear 256 chunky VGA PC beat the ECS amiga on the color aspect (also see Flashback) but the lack of standard soundcard made that Amiga sound was better. That's not only for Monkey Island.
This is very fair and true.

But in 1990 how much did a VGA graphics card cost, as well as a PC?

I know thats not your argument, i'm just saying - at the time the VGA version was an 'upgrade offer' (go look at the PDF that came with the PC version, haha) for those with VGA cards.

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Old 20 October 2018, 13:53   #9
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original PC release has 256 colors. Amiga graphics are dithered to match 32 colors. At least it's not 16 ST port colors...

Yesteryear 256 chunky VGA PC beat the ECS amiga on the color aspect (also see Flashback) but the lack of standard soundcard made that Amiga sound was better. That's not only for Monkey Island.
Original had 16 colours, the 256 colour version came out a couple of month after.
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To clear things up, I am NOT saying the games were crap. Both games are brilliant!

But the graphics are so much better on the PC. The Amiga versions were not much better than Sierra's Amiga ports in my opinion. No copper usage for example.

Also, the Amiga version does not have the best music. This award goes to the PC version played through an MT-32.
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mi sounds better on amiga. Imho.

while mt-32 might be superior technically, it sounds like a cheap porno soundtrack.

I prefer graphics too, since i can play them on a pvm.

Mi2 looks pretty crappy though, and is missing music.

With that said. I do think its weird how so many amiga fans hold pc games as their favourite. In many ways amiga was just a cheap pc. I guess thats why so many amiga fans still look up to pc and want pc games ported.

I prefer the more typical amiga games.

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Also, the Amiga version does not have the best music. This award goes to the PC version played through an MT-32.
I'm not sure if I agree with you or not, i've not heard it through an MT-32...

But in 1990, who had access to a PC with VGA and such an MT-32 for the sound?

I'm not saying you're wrong, i'm sure it does sound much better, i'm just wondering where you draw the line on 'when' the PC versions were much better.

Because it could be argued that graphically the version released in 2009 and playable on pretty much any bog-standard PC/Laptop/Phone beats all prior releases.

So I guess my question is, what are the upper limits of cost of hardware, and release date, when judging various platforms?

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EDIT: The MT-32 was released in 1987 at $695 for example. Not really the average setup for the home user.
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The old boring PC argument, its funny how 'PC owners' all seemed to own VGA cards and monitors and $500 sound cards on the day or release and how all games ran at 60fps

Yes the VGA PC graphics are the best for MI2, just like the X68000 developer machines used for Capcom arcade games had the best graphics.

I'm not sure what your point here is, a computer that cost less than the sound card you mention, of course it won't match it.

And you did you say the Amiga versions were crap, it's in your first post!
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Monkey Island 1 is one of the best games ever made, and the Amiga version is probably the best due to music being superior to all other versions. Graphics are acceptable compared to VGA. This, as long as you don't play it on floppies on a 68000 A500. There, the PC version with much faster loading beats the Amiga version as it becomes frustrating.
The Amiga music is fine, but the DOS version came with CD audio, which is one of the best versions. The DOS version also had the option of playing the music out through the Roland MT-32, and this sounded just amazing. Both of those options blow the Amiga out of the water. (As others said!)

If in doubt, listen!

Amiga: [ Show youtube player ]

MT-32: [ Show youtube player ]

DOS CD Audio: [ Show youtube player ]

Edit: Ah, other people already replied!
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Amiga sounds better.
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The Amiga music is fine, but the DOS version came with CD audio
According to wiki, the CD version was 1992.

Again i'm not saying any of the claims are wrong here, but I just don't understand what bars we're setting?

Because arguably the 2009 version blows them all away, and its not platform specific.
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According to wiki, the CD version was 1992.
Yup. And it's the DOS CD version. There are two DOS versions. DOS Floppy, and DOS CD. What difference does it make what year it came out?
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Yup. And it's the DOS CD version. There are two DOS versions. DOS Floppy, and DOS CD. What difference does it make what year it came out?
Well like, the OP strongly disagree's with M1 and M2 (i assume) being listed as an all time Amiga classic or something that stood the test of time or whatever, right? He even calls them crap.

Well... They are crap compared to versions that came out either later (at least two years - the CD version, in my opinion 19 years - the re-release), or to those who had both a VGA card in 1990 and were happy with the worse audio of the 1990 PC version.

So like... the difference it makes is whether or not the comparison is fair, yeah?

It seems fair to me that if you're going to call the version of a game crap, that the contrasted version be at least at the point of release - let alone on hardware available at similar prices. I mean who the hell had a VGA card in 1990? Let alone in the same demographic of those who could afford and own an Amiga. Ya know?

I just think its a little unfair to the artists who worked on the Amiga version to call it crap simply because today it doesn't compare well with the best quality equipment of the era and a CD audio version that was released two years later!

But whatever man, that's just my opinion and you've got yours, and its all good!

Cheers,

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Every time someone puts the terms 'Monkey Island' and 'crap' in the same sentence, a little monkey somewhere in the world bursts out crying.
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Old 20 October 2018, 21:32   #20
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monkey island 1 Amiga is fine, the music is better
but monkey island 2 sucks, lack some music,sfx etc

anyways pc versions are better
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