23 September 2008, 12:58 | #21 |
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It seems to be still so uncertain
Problably a TOSEC expert can turn light on |
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well... there are TOSEC experts, (the guys who invented the nomenclature or *cough* mantain *cough* the site and TIM), yes there are.
but since they rely anyway on the info provided by the people who try and test the games, namely anybody... so there's no such thing as perfection, it's a work in progress as any collection is, and as WIPs go, this one is a great job still imho. |
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My posts reflect only my personality and i'm very curious So let's go much deeper I think with a tool (i never dumped a disk) a floppy is read and an ADF file is produced Well, ADF file is always produced, even read errors are encountered ? If not, this could mean that each ADF is a perfect dump, so no need of [!] tag ! But also exists the [b] tag, that suggests me that also ADF can be produced with read errors ! I hope the point of confusion (for me) is clear, someone help is welcome |
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Search for Flashback, Damien made intensive testings with his IPF to ADF copied game. At the end the game got an [!]. Imho the most important dumping flag, this sort out all the broken/crappy cracks for each game in TOSEC. |
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That's a good example Retro-Nerd
Here's the thread guys: Fixing Flashback versions.. Ongoing.. Quote:
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Console game dumps have this [!] flag too, but in this case it means they are technically perfect cartridge backups. |
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I think that [!] doesn't mean 100% working, or not |
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Of course it means that this games are working 100%. But you have to compare all the cracked versions with an original to be sure that everything is ok.
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there was a tool written by somebody (sorry i remember the avatar, not the name: that' Dartagnan dog french cartoon, if my memory serves) here at EAB that was meant to check CRC and diffs, but the only sure way to check a game is playing it :/ |
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Really sure of this ? "Dump" for me is a technical word with a precise meaning and "Verified" also (you never verified a CD after write on it ?) [!] 100% working game if i read this i can give you reason, otherwise not I really don't agree this time, if the [!] tag IN PRACTICE means something while the description of the tag WITH EVIDENCE means other Sorry guys |
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Problem is a big word
Probably i give to the description of [!] tag a "wrong" technical meaning, not more than this |
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This [!] flag only means that you can play a specific cracked version flawless like an original bought game, nothing more.
There's no need for a technically dump verification, all ADF dumps should be 100%. Of course there were/are a lot dumps from dodgy discs, but TOSEC sort them all out, if somebody report them as broken. |
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Also in some systems / sets there is the problem of the set being modified when its launched in some emus / systems so the renamer should pay attention and not create different versions of a set just to make the dat grow :S About [!] Quote:
idoru could explain this better if you still have doubts but he currently is MIA/really busy with some stuff, anyway you can check the example of toseciso dats. A set is only marked [!] when it was dumped by 2 diferent persons from original the original media and the crcs match example: Amiga Developer CD v1.1 (1996-05)(Schatztruhe)[!] -> dumped 2 times or more. Amiga Golden 20 (1996)(Media Verlagsgesellschaft) -> dumped only once so not a verified good dump There are 4698 [!] sets in tosec dats. Hope i explained it well, anything more just ask |
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I maybe talking sh*t here given my lack of knowledge in Amiga but if it was equal to old dos games, sets would be cracked by scene groups and distributed over web and disk copies, so if today i pick my disks and start dumping them when they are just a disk copy from some guy (x N) i can't know if its a good dump or if it was altered in the way to me by some unknown reason... thats why i thought [!] where only used to mark dumps that where verified to be good taken only from original carts/disks/discs/... But like i said i don't know much about Amiga and you just have to look at Amiga - Games - [ADF] to see that there are some (13) good dumps with [cr SKR] flag so i guess i was a bit wrong in this field anyway i still think [!] should be used carefully so we will not end with lots of new sets marked [!] when they may have problems. Since Amiga dats are almost all maintained by idoru (especially Games - [ADF]) and he is the project leader, he should be the one to clear things off about [!] flag, we just have to way for him to come back ) Other note to [b] flag, some sets (8656) marked bad dumps and some of them are just bad tagged probably because the renamer who tested it couldn't make it run on the emulator he used, so if possible always try to use more than one emulator (or the real thing ) before marking sets as [b]. Bye |
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I'll try and clarify the [a] and [i] flags with regards to naming adf's
Basically if a game is played and is completed, and the disk structure is not damaged etc then the game will receive a [i] flag which confirms it has been played and completed, and disk structure checked etc.. I basically check the disk structure myself and then if I can stomach it I play the game etc.. the [a] flag is used when 2 images are identical but there is something slightly different, for example if a byte is out of place the game will be [a]. If I know why the image is different I'll say why for example [a highscore] etc |
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