Special Amiga TOSEC tags

TCD · 27 December 2008, 23:18

Since there are quite a few TOSEC tags that are Amiga specific and not mentioned in the TNC, this is the thread to gather info on how to use them. I will try to gather this info and make a document that can be used as an Amiga addendum for the TNC, so renamers don't have to guess what which tag means

PandMonium · 28 December 2008, 00:50

I already documented most of the flags (but some are incomplete / missing info) used in TOSEC sets and our will is always to document and get things as correct as possible to avoid mistakes and doubts from renamers so i support you

I think you are talking mainly about identifying and describing the most used / common "more info flags" in Amiga sets so renamers could know what they mean and when to use them correctly, instead of creating variations or wrong tagging sets, right?

If so i can provide you with some stats, Amiga - Games - [ADF] uses 217 different more info flags, top30 list:

Code:

More Info Flag				Images
HD					488
data disk				264
CD32 rip				119
bootable				112
WB					109
FD-HD					106
FD installed				92
budget					81
HD, CD32 rip				75
CD32 rip, Quarterback 5.0 archive	71
construction kit			70
Quarterback 5.0 archive			51
HD, 68020				30
KS2.0					27
extended adf				26
SCI remake				23
KS1.2					18
compilation				18
HD, 2Mb Chip, 4Mb Fast			16
unreleased				15
Quarterback archive			15
aka Head Coach				14
aka Atomic				13
CDTV rip, Quarterback 5.0 archive	12
AMOS					11
Comic Relief				11
CD32 rip, Quarterback archive		10
modified tracks				10
68020					9
Suzi-Melissa				8

And top15 more info flags used in all Amiga dats:

Code:

More Info Flag		Images
KS2.0			1910
WB			1291
HD			1238
BSKCD			519
AMOS			361
data disk		327
addon			201
bootable		174
budget			159
FD-HD			122
CD32 rip		119
SMCxxxC30Ix		118
full version		113
FD installed		92
save disk		84

TCD · 28 December 2008, 00:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by PandMonium

I think you are talking mainly about identifying and describing the most used / common "more info flags" in Amiga sets so renamers could know what they mean and when to use them correctly, instead of creating variations or wrong tagging sets, right?

Correct

mai and I want to create a list with informations when to use which tag

There were some questions about these tags recently and I think it a good way to give both renamers and those who check errors this info.

mai · 28 December 2008, 01:30

In the current Amiga-dat many "flags" are used wrong, so TCD and I decided to open this thread to give suggestions, how to use the single flags.
But remember this are only suggestions and inspirations, we dont make the rules.
Maybe any TOSEC member can confirm some suggestions.

I will start with:

Quote:

[FD-HD]
Description:
This flag is used, if it is required to install the game to Floppy or to Harddisk first.

[FD]
Description:
This flag is used, if it is required to install the game to Floppy first.
(Seems to be very rare.)

[HD]
Description:
This flag is used, if it is required to install the game to Harddisk.
The [HD] flag is often used wrong in the current Amiga-dat.
This flag is not used, if the game was fixed or modified to work on HD.

.....more coming soon.

Retro1234 · 28 December 2008, 01:34

What flag would be used for games fixed or modified to work on HD?

TCD · 28 December 2008, 01:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boo Boo

What flag would be used for games fixed or modified to work on HD?

I would say [f HD] should be the tag to use for them.

mai · 28 December 2008, 01:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid

I would say [f HD] should be the tag to use for them.

Correct, its my opinion too.

Retro1234 · 28 December 2008, 01:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid

I would say [f HD] should be the tag to use for them.

Thanks - Sorry for going off topic but im not that familiar TOSEC and Im intrested in Cracked games where the cracker has included a HD install are you fining many [f HD] games?

mai · 28 December 2008, 01:42

To be more precise:
[FD], [FD-HD], [HD] are informations for the original designed game, i would say.

TCD · 28 December 2008, 01:46

Good point Boo Boo

While [HD] should only be used if the game needs to be installed on HD to use it and [f HD] for those with an added installer, there should also be a tag for those who provide a HD install, but doesn't need to be installed. I think [with HD install] info tag should be added to those

mai · 28 December 2008, 01:49

Here is a current example:

Agony (1992)(Psygnosis)(Disk 1 of 3)[HD]70E426CD
Agony (1992)(Psygnosis)(Disk 2 of 3)[HD]E7A1D1C8
Agony (1992)(Psygnosis)(Disk 3 of 3)[HD]C4BFB867

>>>>

Agony (1992)(Psygnosis)(Disk 1 of 3)[f HD Jean-Francois Fabre]
Agony (1992)(Psygnosis)(Disk 2 of 3)[f HD Jean-Francois Fabre]
Agony (1992)(Psygnosis)(Disk 3 of 3)[f HD Jean-Francois Fabre]

This game was fixed to work on HD by Jean-Francois Fabre.

TCD · 28 December 2008, 01:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by mai

This game was fixed to work on HD by Jean-Francois Fabre.

We should ask him if it's okay to use [f HD JOTD] here

mai · 28 December 2008, 01:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid

We should ask him if it's okay to use [f HD JOTD] here

Retro1234 · 28 December 2008, 01:57

Could I ask for a current list of [f HD]
I have a good collection of Cracker installs im always looking for more

but ADFs are not alawys stayted as having HD fixes

For Example
Turrican 3 (1993)(Rainbow Arts)[cr TLC][t +11 TLC](Disk 1 of 2)[a].zip

TCD · 28 December 2008, 02:06

These are the ones in the latest TOSEC dat :

Code:

Assassin - Special Edition (1994)(Team 17)(Disk 1 of 3)[cr DLM][f HD Aesthetica][t +19 HLM][Quarterback archive, budget]
Assassin - Special Edition (1994)(Team 17)(Disk 2 of 3)[cr DLM][f HD Aesthetica][t +19 HLM][Quarterback archive, budget]
Assassin - Special Edition (1994)(Team 17)(Disk 3 of 3)[cr DLM][f HD Aesthetica][t +19 HLM][Quarterback archive, budget]
Battle Chess (1988)(Interplay)[cr Amigos][f HD Amigos]
Bubba 'n' Stix (1994)(Core)(Disk 1 of 2)[cr PDX][f HD Morpheus]
Bubba 'n' Stix (1994)(Core)(Disk 2 of 2)[cr PDX][f HD Morpheus]
Bump 'N' Burn (1994)(Grandslam)[cr PSG][f HD Install Crimewatch UK]
Legend of Ragnarok (1993)(Gametek)(Disk 1 of 2)[cr QTX][f HD Humane and Vanity][Quarterback archive]
Legend of Ragnarok (1993)(Gametek)(Disk 2 of 2)[cr QTX][f HD Humane and Vanity][Quarterback archive]

That are all I could find with [f HD]. If you know of any other disks please let us know Boo Boo

Edit : Thanks for the info about Turrican 3

Retro1234 · 28 December 2008, 02:09

Thanks for your reply

Well theres the above Turrican 3 - One im realy after is BC Kid,

OOOOO Bump 'N' Burn - Crimewatch UK ;-)

TCD · 28 December 2008, 02:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boo Boo

One im realy after is BC Kid

I'll keep an eye open for it

What about the WHDLoad install?

PandMonium · 28 December 2008, 02:37

About the "HD" fix descriptor here is the list i have:

Code:

Commodore Amiga - Demos - Various - [EXE]:
242 (1993-08)(Virtual Dreams)[f HD][ASM#2]
Enigma (1991)(Phenomena)[f HD]
Groovy (1993-11-10)(Lemon)[f HD]
Mental Hangover (1990)(Scoopex)[f HD]
Party Invitation, The (1992)(Melon)[f HD]
Red Sector Megademo (1989-08-26)(Red Sector)[f HD][TRISTAR#1]
State Of The Art (1992-12)(Spaceballs)[f HD][TP#1]

Commodore Amiga - Games - Public Domain - [ADF]:
Formula One Manager (1996)(Crystal Interactive)[f HD Fix Ltd]

Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF]:
Assassin - Special Edition (1994)(Team 17)(Disk 1 of 3)[cr DLM][f HD Aesthetica][t +19 HLM][Quarterback archive, budget]
Assassin - Special Edition (1994)(Team 17)(Disk 2 of 3)[cr DLM][f HD Aesthetica][t +19 HLM][Quarterback archive, budget]
Assassin - Special Edition (1994)(Team 17)(Disk 3 of 3)[cr DLM][f HD Aesthetica][t +19 HLM][Quarterback archive, budget]
Battle Chess (1988)(Interplay)[cr Amigos][f HD Amigos]
Bubba 'n' Stix (1994)(Core)(Disk 1 of 2)[cr PDX][f HD Morpheus]
Bubba 'n' Stix (1994)(Core)(Disk 2 of 2)[cr PDX][f HD Morpheus]
Bump 'N' Burn (1994)(Grandslam)[cr PSG][f HD Install Crimewatch UK]
Legend of Ragnarok (1993)(Gametek)(Disk 1 of 2)[cr QTX][f HD Humane and Vanity][Quarterback archive]
Legend of Ragnarok (1993)(Gametek)(Disk 2 of 2)[cr QTX][f HD Humane and Vanity][Quarterback archive]

Note that some of them may not be in the last official dat, i also see some kind of mistake in my lists here: "Bump 'N' Burn (1994)(Grandslam)[cr PSG][f HD Install Crimewatch UK]"
Fix descriptor there seems to be "HD Install", don't know if this is some fix descriptor i missed or some error that should only be HD

Retro1234 · 28 December 2008, 02:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid

I'll keep an eye open for it

What about the WHDLoad install?

Thanks alot TCD - WhDLoad is the best no compation, but you know what these nutty collectors are like

PandMonium · 28 December 2008, 03:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by mai

I will start with:
(...)
.....more coming soon.

Nice

as you already saw i'm also interested in getting all info / descriptions for all kind of flags so all those descriptions even for more info flags that are commonly used will be stored somewhere

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid

Good point Boo Boo While [HD] should only be used if the game needs to be installed on HD to use it and [f HD] for those with an added installer, there should also be a tag for those who provide a HD install, but doesn't need to be installed. I think [with HD install] info tag should be added to those

I've no idea about the systems like i said for 1000 times now but what i really like to repeat is that i want to have the least number of flags possible and so we should try to create those lists you talk about, "with HD install" is not used yet.

used flags similar to your suggestion:

Code:

datfile , flag , times
'Atari ST - Games - [ST]', 'HD install', 2
'Atari ST - Games - [ST]', 'HD install disks', 1
'Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF]', 'HD installer', 2
'Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF]', 'WB, HD installer', 1

(don't know if they have anything to do with what you said)

More info flags containing "HD" in amiga games adf dat (18):

Code:

datfile , flag , times
'Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF]', 'FD-HD', 106
'Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF]', 'FD-HD, data disk', 2
'Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF]', 'FD-HD, data disk, req. SimCity v1.2', 7
'Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF]', 'HD', 488
'Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF]', 'HD installer', 2
'Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF]', 'HD, 2Mb Chip, 4Mb Fast', 16
'Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF]', 'HD, 4Mb Fast RAM', 3
'Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF]', 'HD, 68020', 30
'Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF]', 'HD, CD32 rip', 75
'Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF]', 'HD, CD32 rip, LZX archive', 7
'Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF]', 'HD, CD32 rip, aka Misadventures of Flink, The', 4
'Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF]', 'HD, CDTV rip', 4
'Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF]', 'HD, data disk', 8
'Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF]', 'HD, lha archive', 5
'Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF]', 'HD, req. lha', 3
'Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF]', 'WB, HD installer', 1
'Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF]', 'with HD loader v1.1', 1
'Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF]', 'with HD loader v1.2', 1

More info flags containing "HD" in any "Amiga" dats (28):

Code:

flag ; one of the dats ; times
'Commodore Amiga - Applications - [ADF]', 'FD-HD', 122
'Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF]', 'FD-HD, data disk', 2
'Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF]', 'FD-HD, data disk, req. SimCity v1.2', 7
'Commodore Amiga - Applications - Public Domain - [ADF]', 'HD', 1238
'Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF]', 'HD installer', 2
'Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF]', 'HD, 2Mb Chip, 4Mb Fast', 16
'Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF]', 'HD, 4Mb Fast RAM', 3
'Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF]', 'HD, 68020', 30
'Commodore Amiga - Applications - Public Domain - [ADF]', 'HD, 68030, LHA archive', 1
'Commodore Amiga - Games - Public Domain - [ADF]', 'HD, AMOS', 3
'Commodore Amiga - Applications - [ADF]', 'HD, CD32 rip', 81
'Commodore Amiga - Games - Emerald Mine', 'HD, CD32 rip, LHA archive', 11
'Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF]', 'HD, CD32 rip, LZX archive', 7
'Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF]', 'HD, CD32 rip, aka Misadventures of Flink, The', 4
'Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF]', 'HD, CDTV rip', 4
'Commodore Amiga - Applications - [ADF]', 'HD, KS2', 4
'Commodore Amiga - Games - Public Domain - [ADF]', 'HD, KS2.0', 2
'Commodore Amiga - Games - Public Domain - [ADF]', 'HD, KS3.0', 1
'Commodore Amiga - Applications - [ADF]', 'HD, LZX archive', 2
'Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF]', 'HD, data disk', 8
'Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF]', 'HD, lha archive', 5
'Commodore Amiga - Games - Public Domain - [ADF]', 'HD, originally SW', 8
'Commodore Amiga - Applications - [ADF]', 'HD, registered', 4
'Commodore Amiga - Applications - [ADF]', 'HD, req. Wordworth', 3
'Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF]', 'HD, req. lha', 3
'Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF]', 'WB, HD installer', 1
'Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF]', 'with HD loader v1.1', 1
'Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF]', 'with HD loader v1.2', 1

28 December 2008, 01:57	#14
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,773	Could I ask for a current list of [f HD] I have a good collection of Cracker installs im always looking for more but ADFs are not alawys stayted as having HD fixes For Example Turrican 3 (1993)(Rainbow Arts)[cr TLC][t +11 TLC](Disk 1 of 2)[a].zip Last edited by Retro1234; 28 December 2008 at 02:05.

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27 December 2008, 23:18	#1
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,522	Special Amiga TOSEC tags Since there are quite a few TOSEC tags that are Amiga specific and not mentioned in the TNC, this is the thread to gather info on how to use them. I will try to gather this info and make a document that can be used as an Amiga addendum for the TNC, so renamers don't have to guess what which tag means

28 December 2008, 00:50	#2
PandMonium Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Portugal Posts: 408	I already documented most of the flags (but some are incomplete / missing info) used in TOSEC sets and our will is always to document and get things as correct as possible to avoid mistakes and doubts from renamers so i support you I think you are talking mainly about identifying and describing the most used / common "more info flags" in Amiga sets so renamers could know what they mean and when to use them correctly, instead of creating variations or wrong tagging sets, right? If so i can provide you with some stats, Amiga - Games - [ADF] uses 217 different more info flags, top30 list: Code: More Info Flag Images HD 488 data disk 264 CD32 rip 119 bootable 112 WB 109 FD-HD 106 FD installed 92 budget 81 HD, CD32 rip 75 CD32 rip, Quarterback 5.0 archive 71 construction kit 70 Quarterback 5.0 archive 51 HD, 68020 30 KS2.0 27 extended adf 26 SCI remake 23 KS1.2 18 compilation 18 HD, 2Mb Chip, 4Mb Fast 16 unreleased 15 Quarterback archive 15 aka Head Coach 14 aka Atomic 13 CDTV rip, Quarterback 5.0 archive 12 AMOS 11 Comic Relief 11 CD32 rip, Quarterback archive 10 modified tracks 10 68020 9 Suzi-Melissa 8 And top15 more info flags used in all Amiga dats: Code: More Info Flag Images KS2.0 1910 WB 1291 HD 1238 BSKCD 519 AMOS 361 data disk 327 addon 201 bootable 174 budget 159 FD-HD 122 CD32 rip 119 SMCxxxC30Ix 118 full version 113 FD installed 92 save disk 84

28 December 2008, 01:34	#5
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,773	What flag would be used for games fixed or modified to work on HD?

28 December 2008, 01:42	#9
mai Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Federativnaya Respublika Germaniya Posts: 4,994	To be more precise: [FD], [FD-HD], [HD] are informations for the original designed game, i would say.

28 December 2008, 01:46	#10
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,522	Good point Boo Boo While [HD] should only be used if the game needs to be installed on HD to use it and [f HD] for those with an added installer, there should also be a tag for those who provide a HD install, but doesn't need to be installed. I think [with HD install] info tag should be added to those

28 December 2008, 01:49	#11
mai Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Federativnaya Respublika Germaniya Posts: 4,994	Here is a current example: Agony (1992)(Psygnosis)(Disk 1 of 3)[HD]70E426CD Agony (1992)(Psygnosis)(Disk 2 of 3)[HD]E7A1D1C8 Agony (1992)(Psygnosis)(Disk 3 of 3)[HD]C4BFB867 >>>> Agony (1992)(Psygnosis)(Disk 1 of 3)[f HD Jean-Francois Fabre] Agony (1992)(Psygnosis)(Disk 2 of 3)[f HD Jean-Francois Fabre] Agony (1992)(Psygnosis)(Disk 3 of 3)[f HD Jean-Francois Fabre] This game was fixed to work on HD by Jean-Francois Fabre.

28 December 2008, 02:09	#16
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,773	Thanks for your reply Well theres the above Turrican 3 - One im realy after is BC Kid, OOOOO Bump 'N' Burn - Crimewatch UK ;-)

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