Gotek as external drive

pincoo · 01 March 2017, 12:57

I have an Amiga 1200 with 3 external drive in a row. I'd like to add an external Gotek drive as df4.
Is it possible to add it on the external female floppy port of my df3 to have it as df4?

Thank you for all,

pincoo

demolition · 01 March 2017, 13:08

You cannot have more than 4 drives in total, i.e. df0 to df3.

pincoo · 01 March 2017, 14:52

No more than 4? So it is not possible to have df4 on my Amiga. Isn't it?
So if I remove my last one, can I mount Gotek to be my last df3?

Many thanks,

pincoo

demolition · 01 March 2017, 14:54

Sure, if the external case it is mounted in is configured correctly, then it should work fine as DF3, just like any other drive.

The number of possible floppy drives is determined by the number of drive select signals, and all Amigas have only DS0 through DS3 (shown as DF0-DF3 in the system), thus only 4 can work at the same time.

pincoo · 01 March 2017, 15:19

Ok, so is there any Gotek distribution that is composed by Gotek and a good looking external drive shell? Speaking aboute cable I saw http://www.amibay.com/showthread.php...l-ROUND-cables
Could this cable be good for my purpose?

demolition · 01 March 2017, 15:25

That cable is meant for if you want to use a Gotek drive without having it mounted in a chassis.

I had a dead external Amiga drive and then I simply replaced the failing mechanical drive with the Gotek, so now I have an external floppy emulator. Regarding firmwares, I recommend buying the HxC firmware. Gotek does not make the emulator for Amigas specifically and the original software does not work with Amiga.

pincoo · 01 March 2017, 15:38

I have to buy a Gotek, the cable seen before, a failed external amiga floppy, the HxC fw and that's all!
Am I wrong?

demolition · 01 March 2017, 15:46

You don't need the cable. It is either the cable or an external drive chassis. Most (all) external Amiga drives have a cable already.
Here are some pictures which show how it should look.

pincoo · 01 March 2017, 16:22

Perfect, when I open my external drive I'll found the main cable (the lonely) that becomes a flat one and that will be connected to my Gotek? What about power? Have I take it form the flat cable? Do you have any photo that describe the internal connection of the external drive shell with the Gotek?

amigoun · 01 March 2017, 16:36

When gotek is in external Amiga case, you simply replace the floppy drive with the Gotek drive. Connecting the flat Data Cable and the Power cable.
I see you linked my cable thread. So I show, how I use my cable in the custom enclosure I made for my Gotek with HxC firmware and LCD display

demolition · 01 March 2017, 16:38

It's very simple really. Just open the external drive, remove the floppy mechanism and put the Gotek in its place. There is a ribbon cable and a power connector to connect.

Here's how the internals of an external drive can look (floppy drive at the bottom):

You may need to move a jumper on the Gotek to change it to drive 0 or 1 (DS0 or DS1) depending on what the electronics in the external chassis is designed for.

Jope · 01 March 2017, 19:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by demolition

You may need to move a jumper on the Gotek to change it to drive 0 or 1 (DS0 or DS1) depending on what the electronics in the external chassis is designed for.

I'm curious about this one, have you seen any 90s vintage external drives that are DS1?

demolition · 01 March 2017, 19:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jope

I'm curious about this one, have you seen any 90s vintage external drives that are DS1?

I haven't seen many, but I did have to move the jumper in my Gotek from the original position before it would work in my external chassis while the default jumper position worked fine when connected internally as DF0. I don't remember if I changed it to DS0 or DS1.

Predseda · 15 February 2018, 20:07

It is possible to force Amiga 1200 to use external drive (aka DF1) as a DF0? Easy with A500, there is CIA selector available, but what with A1200? I mean a non-destructive way.

Amiga1992 · 15 February 2018, 23:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Predseda

It is possible to force Amiga 1200 to use external drive (aka DF1) as a DF0? Easy with A500, there is CIA selector available, but what with A1200? I mean a non-destructive way.

You need to modify it. Today I actually was seeing Rob Cranley doing this mod for Ms. MadLemon's A600 (the A1200 must be the same). It involves removing a tiny SMD resistor and soldering some cables, as far as I understood.
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I guess that counts as "destructive" to you though.

Predseda · 15 February 2018, 23:58

Yes, unfortunately. But I expected that.

Amiga1992 · 16 February 2018, 15:49

I would hardly consider this method "destructive" as it doesn't destroy anything.

01 March 2017, 12:57	#1
pincoo Registered User Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Pescara Posts: 28	Gotek as external drive I have an Amiga 1200 with 3 external drive in a row. I'd like to add an external Gotek drive as df4. Is it possible to add it on the external female floppy port of my df3 to have it as df4? Thank you for all, pincoo

01 March 2017, 15:46	#8
demolition Unregistered User Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Copenhagen / DK Age: 43 Posts: 4,190	You don't need the cable. It is either the cable or an external drive chassis. Most (all) external Amiga drives have a cable already. Here are some pictures which show how it should look. Attached Thumbnails

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01 March 2017, 13:08	#2
demolition Unregistered User Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Copenhagen / DK Age: 43 Posts: 4,190	You cannot have more than 4 drives in total, i.e. df0 to df3.

01 March 2017, 14:52	#3
pincoo Registered User Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Pescara Posts: 28	No more than 4? So it is not possible to have df4 on my Amiga. Isn't it? So if I remove my last one, can I mount Gotek to be my last df3? Many thanks, pincoo

01 March 2017, 14:54	#4
demolition Unregistered User Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Copenhagen / DK Age: 43 Posts: 4,190	Sure, if the external case it is mounted in is configured correctly, then it should work fine as DF3, just like any other drive. The number of possible floppy drives is determined by the number of drive select signals, and all Amigas have only DS0 through DS3 (shown as DF0-DF3 in the system), thus only 4 can work at the same time.

01 March 2017, 15:19	#5
pincoo Registered User Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Pescara Posts: 28	Ok, so is there any Gotek distribution that is composed by Gotek and a good looking external drive shell? Speaking aboute cable I saw http://www.amibay.com/showthread.php...l-ROUND-cables Could this cable be good for my purpose?

01 March 2017, 15:25	#6
demolition Unregistered User Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Copenhagen / DK Age: 43 Posts: 4,190	That cable is meant for if you want to use a Gotek drive without having it mounted in a chassis. I had a dead external Amiga drive and then I simply replaced the failing mechanical drive with the Gotek, so now I have an external floppy emulator. Regarding firmwares, I recommend buying the HxC firmware. Gotek does not make the emulator for Amigas specifically and the original software does not work with Amiga.

01 March 2017, 15:38	#7
pincoo Registered User Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Pescara Posts: 28	I have to buy a Gotek, the cable seen before, a failed external amiga floppy, the HxC fw and that's all! Am I wrong?

01 March 2017, 16:22	#9
pincoo Registered User Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Pescara Posts: 28	Perfect, when I open my external drive I'll found the main cable (the lonely) that becomes a flat one and that will be connected to my Gotek? What about power? Have I take it form the flat cable? Do you have any photo that describe the internal connection of the external drive shell with the Gotek?

01 March 2017, 16:36	#10
amigoun Registered User Join Date: May 2010 Location: Czech Rep Posts: 599	When gotek is in external Amiga case, you simply replace the floppy drive with the Gotek drive. Connecting the flat Data Cable and the Power cable. I see you linked my cable thread. So I show, how I use my cable in the custom enclosure I made for my Gotek with HxC firmware and LCD display

01 March 2017, 16:38	#11
demolition Unregistered User Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Copenhagen / DK Age: 43 Posts: 4,190	It's very simple really. Just open the external drive, remove the floppy mechanism and put the Gotek in its place. There is a ribbon cable and a power connector to connect. Here's how the internals of an external drive can look (floppy drive at the bottom): You may need to move a jumper on the Gotek to change it to drive 0 or 1 (DS0 or DS1) depending on what the electronics in the external chassis is designed for.

15 February 2018, 20:07	#14
Predseda Puttymoon inhabitant Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tromaville Age: 46 Posts: 7,539	It is possible to force Amiga 1200 to use external drive (aka DF1) as a DF0? Easy with A500, there is CIA selector available, but what with A1200? I mean a non-destructive way.

15 February 2018, 23:58	#16
Predseda Puttymoon inhabitant Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tromaville Age: 46 Posts: 7,539	Yes, unfortunately. But I expected that.

16 February 2018, 15:49	#17
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,645	I would hardly consider this method "destructive" as it doesn't destroy anything.

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