AD3D and AB3D2

JuvUK · 15 October 2008, 20:56

Hi all,
1st post time, can anyone tell me how AB3D and AB3D2 run on an A1200 with a 1260 and 32mb ram?
thanks in advance, JuvUK

StevenJGore · 15 October 2008, 21:42

Welcome to the board!

AB3D runs as smooth as silk, AB3D2 runs at a good speed, but still not as fast as perhaps it should given the processing power of a 68060. Doom and Doom II run faster than AB3D2 on an 060.

Steve.

JuvUK · 15 October 2008, 23:10

thanks for the welcome Steve.
so AB3D2 isn't too good with an 060? is there a patch for it? how do breathless and testament perform?
thanks

Graham Humphrey · 15 October 2008, 23:23

Testament is pretty nippy on an '040 so I'd imagine it'd run very nicely on a faster machine. Don't like it much though.

MazinKaesar · 15 October 2008, 23:30

I remember I was not able to play AB3D1 on A1200 with 060... AB3D2 ran nice, but take care, this game is really DIFFICULT!!!
BTW, Breathless and DoomAttack were faster 'cause they were optimized. I don't remember about Testament... it worked fine on my old 030 so I never played it again.

Reynolds · 16 October 2008, 06:18

Testament just ... well... not-good-enough for a collector. Playability bad, gfx bad, and overall it's quite boring.

Breathless goes well enough to finish it off, although I think Doom has a more complex engine but still it's faster than Breathless, which is weird a bit.

AB3D simply rocks. Like Lotus II in the racing games. Fast, smooth, well playable, etc. A masterpiece

AB3DII was less professional, although still worth to try it at least. It has an RTG patch, but never worked for me somehow.

musashi5150 · 16 October 2008, 09:02

I remember buying AB3D2 from eBay and giving it a go on my A4060. It ran ok but I thought it was so crap I had to sell it again immediately - didn't want it in the house

The original AB3D is nice. Especially from a coders point of view as it uses nice rasters for the display

girv · 16 October 2008, 10:21

I'll echo what the others have said.

AB3D runs very well on 030+ so it will fly on your 060. It's an awesomely good game and one of my favourites.

AB3D2 is a bit clunky on 060 and way too hard for me. I played through AB3D many times, but lost interest in AB3D2 very quickly.

Breathless is better, but the engine is a bit simple and rooms start to feel very samey after a while. Try it, YMMV.

Doom is very good on 060 and a classic game as well. You can use many (all?) of the expansion levels created for the PC version. Do yourself a favour and pick up a Doom collection on eBay or something.

I believe Genetic Species is highly recommended too, if you like the FPS genre.

Haven't played Testament.

StevenJGore · 16 October 2008, 12:53

For anybody playing AB3D2, I highly recommend using the saved game editor on Aminet. You can cheat as little or as much as you want, by giving yourself extra weapons, extra health or just extra ammo. The game's too difficult otherwise. It works with the WHDLoad version too.

Steve.

MazinKaesar · 16 October 2008, 12:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reynolds

Testament just ... well... not-good-enough for a collector. Playability bad, gfx bad, and overall it's quite boring.

Really???

I found it nice, many monsters to shoot, nice location even if graphics was ... Legoland-like

DDNI · 16 October 2008, 13:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by MazinKaesar

Really???

I found it nice, many monsters to shoot, nice location even if graphics was ... Legoland-like

Lego Star Wars
Lego Indiana Jones
Lego Batman

BUT first came

Lego AMIGA!

MazinKaesar · 16 October 2008, 16:05

Sad but true!!! AB3D, Fears, Testament, Trapped... to gain some frame per second you have to lower the resolution

JuvUK · 16 October 2008, 16:53

in what way would re-compiling this help?

musashi5150 · 16 October 2008, 17:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by JuvUK

in what way would re-compiling this help?

It might give you a warm sense of achievement inside

JuvUK · 16 October 2008, 17:52

aha! now that i do understand!!!

MazinKaesar · 16 October 2008, 18:19

I don't understand instead...

musashi5150 · 16 October 2008, 19:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by MazinKaesar

I don't understand instead...

It's ok - it was a joke

Seriously though, if you want to play this game at fastest possible speed it might be an idea to try it on a good 68040 WinUAE config with JIT swiched on.

But I'd recommend playing the first AB3D instead.

Galahad/FLT · 16 October 2008, 20:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by musashi5150

It's ok - it was a joke

Seriously though, if you want to play this game at fastest possible speed it might be an idea to try it on a good 68040 WinUAE config with JIT swiched on.

But I'd recommend playing the first AB3D instead.

First AB3D is good, just a little buggy in places, I thought i'd cracked it wrong at points!

JuvUK · 16 October 2008, 20:21

wow Fairlight!! jeez now there's a name i haven't seen in years!!! lol fond memories!!!

altough i did see this the other day which made me smile loads!

"Salutes to our old Amiga friends from:

FAIRLIGHT - RAZOR 1911 - VISION FACTORY - PARADOX - QUARTEX
DCS - CRYSTAL - ZENITH - ACCESSSION - ALPHA FLIGHT - PRODIGY
THE COMPANY - LEGEND - TRSI - ORACLE - ANTHROX - CLASSIC"

look familiar? lol

laser · 16 October 2008, 20:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by JuvUK

Hi all,
1st post time, can anyone tell me how AB3D and AB3D2 run on an A1200 with a 1260 and 32mb ram?
thanks in advance, JuvUK

AB3D is playlable on any 030+
but
AB3D2 is not playlable even on the 040/40 or the 060/50 ....it s really slow...10-15 fps

the only way to enjoy playlable & smooth AB3D2 is using winuae...50 fps on the athlon 64x2

15 October 2008, 20:56	#1
JuvUK Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Cheltenham/UK Age: 52 Posts: 312	AD3D and AB3D2 Hi all, 1st post time, can anyone tell me how AB3D and AB3D2 run on an A1200 with a 1260 and 32mb ram? thanks in advance, JuvUK

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MazinKaesar Super Robot Pilot Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Modena (Italy) Age: 48 Posts: 870	I remember I was not able to play AB3D1 on A1200 with 060... AB3D2 ran nice, but take care, this game is really DIFFICULT!!! BTW, Breathless and DoomAttack were faster 'cause they were optimized. I don't remember about Testament... it worked fine on my old 030 so I never played it again.

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Reynolds Alien Breeder Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Szigetszentmiklos / Hungary Age: 46 Posts: 1,096	Testament just ... well... not-good-enough for a collector. Playability bad, gfx bad, and overall it's quite boring. Breathless goes well enough to finish it off, although I think Doom has a more complex engine but still it's faster than Breathless, which is weird a bit. AB3D simply rocks. Like Lotus II in the racing games. Fast, smooth, well playable, etc. A masterpiece AB3DII was less professional, although still worth to try it at least. It has an RTG patch, but never worked for me somehow.

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musashi5150 move.w #$4489,$dff07e Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Norfolk, UK Age: 42 Posts: 2,351	I remember buying AB3D2 from eBay and giving it a go on my A4060. It ran ok but I thought it was so crap I had to sell it again immediately - didn't want it in the house The original AB3D is nice. Especially from a coders point of view as it uses nice rasters for the display

16 October 2008, 10:21	#8
girv Mostly Harmless Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 1,109	I'll echo what the others have said. AB3D runs very well on 030+ so it will fly on your 060. It's an awesomely good game and one of my favourites. AB3D2 is a bit clunky on 060 and way too hard for me. I played through AB3D many times, but lost interest in AB3D2 very quickly. Breathless is better, but the engine is a bit simple and rooms start to feel very samey after a while. Try it, YMMV. Doom is very good on 060 and a classic game as well. You can use many (all?) of the expansion levels created for the PC version. Do yourself a favour and pick up a Doom collection on eBay or something. I believe Genetic Species is highly recommended too, if you like the FPS genre. Haven't played Testament.

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StevenJGore Amiga Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: North Yorkshire, UK Age: 46 Posts: 726	For anybody playing AB3D2, I highly recommend using the saved game editor on Aminet. You can cheat as little or as much as you want, by giving yourself extra weapons, extra health or just extra ammo. The game's too difficult otherwise. It works with the WHDLoad version too. Steve.

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MazinKaesar Super Robot Pilot Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Modena (Italy) Age: 48 Posts: 870	Sad but true!!! AB3D, Fears, Testament, Trapped... to gain some frame per second you have to lower the resolution

16 October 2008, 16:53	#13
JuvUK Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Cheltenham/UK Age: 52 Posts: 312	in what way would re-compiling this help?

16 October 2008, 17:52	#15
JuvUK Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Cheltenham/UK Age: 52 Posts: 312	aha! now that i do understand!!!

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MazinKaesar Super Robot Pilot Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Modena (Italy) Age: 48 Posts: 870	I don't understand instead...

16 October 2008, 20:21	#19
JuvUK Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Cheltenham/UK Age: 52 Posts: 312	wow Fairlight!! jeez now there's a name i haven't seen in years!!! lol fond memories!!! altough i did see this the other day which made me smile loads! "Salutes to our old Amiga friends from: FAIRLIGHT - RAZOR 1911 - VISION FACTORY - PARADOX - QUARTEX DCS - CRYSTAL - ZENITH - ACCESSSION - ALPHA FLIGHT - PRODIGY THE COMPANY - LEGEND - TRSI - ORACLE - ANTHROX - CLASSIC" look familiar? lol

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