[HELP] Soft reset in order to booting from HD?!

[Hache]

Hello everyone. I have an A1200 with a hard drive working properly, but something strange is happening.
When I turn on the machine, the boot screen appears and the Amiga does not recognize the hard drive.
If I want to boot from hard drive I have to turn on the machine and do a soft reset (Ctrl + Amiga + Amiga) in the boot screen (yep, the purple screen).

Is there any way or any kind o setup for making the Amiga boot from the hard disk just when I turn on the machine and avoiding this soft reset?.

I turned on the machine pressing both mouse buttons, but the hard disk does not appear in the list of booting devices.

NOTE: I don't have this issue if I mount this Hard disk drive on WinUAE.

Cheers and thanks for all your help!!

Hache.

[prowler]

Swap out your 3.0 ROMs and fit 3.1 ROMs (they allow more time for the HDD(s) to initialize).

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=73816

[Hache]

Oh, but... I have 3.1 Roms already. :/

[Hache]

More info: If I boot with the disc unplugged, I have about 10/15 seconds of dark grey screen before the booting screen appears. If I boot with the disc plugged, the booting screens appears inmediately... Weird, right? :/

[prowler]

Three questions:

1. Have you recently changed the hard drive?
2. If no, have you always had this problem, or did it start recently?
3. Does the machine have a floppy drive fitted, and can you boot from it?

[Hache]

1) This is a new hard drive.
2) I already have another Hard disk. This hard disk is working PERFECT. The Amiga boots from this HD without doing the soft reset. The non booting hard drive is a CLONE of the hard disk that boots correctly.
3) I booted the Amiga with a WB3.1 from floppy disk and I can see the good hard drive on HDTools, but not the bad one.

It's very confusing...

Thanks for your help!!!

[Hache]

Just a reminder. All these issues are not happening on WinUAE, just in the real 1200.

[prowler]

When you cloned the first hard drive, did you have them both connected to the IDE controller of your A1200 - the original one as Master and the new one as slave? Or did you carry out the hard drive cloning in WinUAE?

Did you remember to jumper the new drive as Master in order to boot your A1200 with it?

[Hache]

Thanks for your comments, Prowler.
When I say "clone", I mean I made from scratch an HDF in WinUAE, and instaled Classic workbench, games, demos, etc in this virtual hard drive.
Then I copied this HDF to both hard disks. One is booting correctly and the other not.
Look, one of the hard disks have a explanation drawing about how to connect it as slave or master. I'll take a picture and upload it here for you if this helps. But hey, don't stay here waiting for these pictures. I'll upload them tomorrow.

Thank you so much for all your help!!!!

[Sandro]

Originally Posted by Hache

Hello everyone. I have an A1200 with a hard drive working properly, but something strange is happening.
When I turn on the machine, the boot screen appears and the Amiga does not recognize the hard drive.
If I want to boot from hard drive I have to turn on the machine and do a soft reset (Ctrl + Amiga + Amiga) in the boot screen (yep, the purple screen).

Is there any way or any kind o setup for making the Amiga boot from the hard disk just when I turn on the machine and avoiding this soft reset?.

I turned on the machine pressing both mouse buttons, but the hard disk does not appear in the list of booting devices.

NOTE: I don't have this issue if I mount this Hard disk drive on WinUAE.

Cheers and thanks for all your help!!

Hache.

some hardisks are slows / start time is slow
replace ur hardisk= problem solved

[bdb]

Try putting an unformatted floppy in DF0: this may tie up the OS long enough to get your HDD recognized.

[FOL]

Do you have an Accelerator?
Sounds like a timing issue.

Adding Accelerator, changing roms, altering blocksize etc etc. all seem to effect timing in some cases.
Sounds like the Amiga is booting to fast to detect HDD correctly.

[Hewitson]

If you have another HD which doesnt have this problem then why don't you use that?

[wmsteele]

I have this problem with one CF card, other cards I've tried boot fine.

[Hache]

Bdb: I'll try that way.

FOL: Yes, I have an ACA1232, but I I think I don't have timing issues (it could be, maybe). As I said I have another HDisk and is booting correctly.

Hewitson: Sure, I'm using the good one, but I want to have a backup.

wmsteele: Maybe some hardware is not 100% compatible?

Thank you all!!!

[kipper2k]

different devices have different tolerences, your caps may need changing, they prob don't charge up enough on a cold boot, check solder pads on the electrolytic caps to see if they are dirty, i would change all the elctrolytic caps first

[FOL]

Originally Posted by Hache

FOL: Yes, I have an ACA1232, but I I think I don't have timing issues (it could be, maybe). As I said I have another HDisk and is booting correctly.

Thank you all!!!

Didnt say you had timing issues, I said it could alter the timing.
Remove the card see if it boots first time then. Its proberly the cf card is setup a certain way at the factory.

[Amiga1992]

This is very normal.
If you didn't cut Pin 1 on the IDE cable already (the one usually coloured red), it's time to do so now.

Why people suggest timing issues or ROM swaps, I don't know
I had that "10/15 seconds with nothing on" thing before and mistakenly thought my IDE blew up.What type of hard drive is it, 2.5" or 3.5"? When you say "I unplugged it" you mean you removed the drive from the cable or the cable too from the IDE port? If the first, remove it all including cables and try again.

[FOL]

Originally Posted by Akira

This is very normal.
If you didn't cut Pin 1 on the IDE cable already (the one usually coloured red), it's time to do so now.

Doesn't always work and can sometimes stop HDD being detected completely.

[Amiga1992]

Originally Posted by FOL

Doesn't always work and can sometimes stop HDD being detected completely.

Trying doesn't hurt or involve expensive replacements if you need a new cable, does it?
I said this many times before, in this forum there's a tendency to overestimate computer damage and people make the most complicated suggestions first. For example, when I said "hey my A600 is giving me a DF0:???? icon on working drives", people were quick to say I had blown CIAs. Until a few sensible people said "it's "probably the cable", and that is what it was indeed.

What is easier, cheaper and less risky to do, timing fixes or cutting a wire from an IDE cable that you can cheaply replace, a method that has been proved to work by many?