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Can you imagine what open sourcing AmigaOS back when Commodore went under would have done for the community? Many still would have paid for the supported version and buying ROMs anyway. I can't imagine if we had retained developers in a Open Source project where the OS could be now. It's not too late is it, the current holders could open source the OS and then sell pre-compiled supported versions with ROMs. Oh, well. |
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Cloanto, the IP owner of all Amiga OS up to and including 3.1, has indicated that something like this is their intention. However, the people with the sources, Hyperion and the OS 3.1.4 developers, say they will not have it, and oppose all attempts at officially open sourcing OS 3.1. |
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And then you are assuming Cloanto hasn't got 3.1 sources. Do you know that to be a fact? Or is it lying or guessing all over again. Stop lying and manipulating words to try to fit your agenda! |
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Unless you provide proof that the OS 3.1.4 developers (and you, according to yourself, are _not_ a developer) and Hyperion now support open sourcing of OS 3.1, I am not lying. Unless you, on behalf of Hyperion, a company for which you are not a spokes person, can state that Cloanto officially has full access to the OS repos that Olsen maintains on behalf of Hyperion, I am not lying. In short, if you really want to call me a lyar, then prove me wrong. And what is my agenda again? Last edited by kolla; 01 April 2019 at 06:31. |
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What those two companies do to each other is their own business. I am just another spectator. You speak on behalf of myself and others and missrepresent us with ill intentions. You are just a liar. |
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I have stared many times that I only speak for myself, and I certainly do not speak for you (what on earth gives you the idea that I attempt to speak for you???) And again, I am not lying, so when you call me a lyar (which is a so called "personal attack") you better back it up. So, according to you, these are lies: * Thomas has repeatedly stated that he oppose the idea of open source Amiga OS, not only because of the legal situation, but also for technical reasons. * Hyperion have repeatedly claimed that the OS sources are *theirs* and nobody elses property. They claim *exclusive* rights to the AmigaOS sources. |
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Hey, I have a feature suggestion.
Remove the KS3.1 disabling of pcmcia port when >4MB Z2 ram is detected, and replace it if possible with a mechanism that only disables pcmcia sram (or just trigger a warning when sram is inserted with conflicting ram present) The other pcmcia devices use pcmcia i/o address space which does not conflict with z2 ram. |
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And Thomas voiced his opinion. He did not do anything for or against, he just develops and comments as a more educated spectator, nothing else. And each of us may have the same, or an opposing, or another totally different opinion/view about the matter, but we only do what we can do: develop/test. There is no boycott to anyone from us. We don't decide if AmigaOS can be open source and of course, can't do anything to prevent what whoever wins the case decides to do with it. They are the owners, not us. Regarding your own post above: I am an AmigaOS developer and "people with the sources". So you spoke missrepresenting me. So to cut it short, you are lying. |
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As an OS developer, you should have no problems accessing the commit log and find out exactly what he did. Every time you answer questions like this with "I don't remember exactly" and "I don't know exactly", it either shows that you are not a developer, or that you are... for lack of a better word... lazy.
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You are just lying and manipulating things to fit your arguments.
It is useless to discuss with you. You feel you are allways right, no matter if the truth hits you in the head. I am really sorry for you. |
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Why don't you stick to the topic here, which is Amiga OS 3.1.4 and its successor, and not me?
If you are indeed an OS developer, and also support the idea of open source Amiga OS, then I suggest you raise that flag high and clear for Hyperion. And, just to be clear - I really, really *WISH* I am wrong, but I see no indication of being wrong. |
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I guess Thomas' attitude to open sourcing AmigaOS3.1 is based on a completely different foundation than Hyperion's.
Open sourcing OS is not always best way to go, especially in Amiga world... |
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And please refrain from using "we": Thor has been publically attacking Cloanto for 2.5 years. He's anything but a passive spectator. Last edited by Korodny; 01 April 2019 at 18:43. |
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However, as Thomas has indicated in the past, this is about a "strategic partnership" in order to further the work. I prefer not to condemn either mode of thinking here. #6 |
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This said, there is a suitable device in Aminet (albeit a bit buggy) that works well in practise, so there is not really a need in first place. |
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