WipeOut XL (2097)

Frog · 19 November 2007, 01:28

I've found on an abandonware site an iso of this game but i'm searching for a patch that can handle to run it without the CD and with the music.

i've find a NOCD but then, music aren't played even if i copy myself the files.

Also if the patch can fix a max FPS value it could help too.

thomas · 19 November 2007, 08:59

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an abandonware site

There is no such thing. Sites which offer games without permission from the authors are illegal. Your iso is an illegal pirate copy.

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a patch that can handle to run it without the CD and with the music.

There is no such patch. The music is in audio tracks on the CD, you cannot play it without the CD.

StarEye · 19 November 2007, 18:14

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Originally Posted by thomas

There is no such thing. Sites which offer games without permission from the authors are illegal. Your iso is an illegal pirate copy.

What you mean is, abandonware isn't legal, regardless of what the disclaimers propose. But abandonware is in reality just a term for old games that aren't sold in stores or produced anymore, hence they're "abandoned" by the developers/publishers.

In reality it's really just a different term for pirated software. If permission has been given by the copyright owners, it's become freeware. A game can never really "become" abandonware.

Hungry Horace · 19 November 2007, 18:50

yeah, you're "killing the amiga" by pirating that!!!

sorry, couldnt keep a straight face with that one

StarEye · 19 November 2007, 20:22

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Originally Posted by Hungry Horace

yeah, you're "killing the amiga" by pirating that!!!

sorry, couldnt keep a straight face with that one

DrF · 19 November 2007, 21:09

Surely a modern app. like Daemon tools or Alchol 120% would be able to mount that ISO and then all is solved

Frog · 19 November 2007, 21:46

hmm sorry, first i forget to mention that it's the PC version of the game.

As StarEye said, if the site own the permission from the authors/company to host the game then it's legal.
BTTR host lot of game in this way.

The music of Wipe Out XL on PC are stored as file and not as CD Audio track.

Of course using Daemon Tool or a similar tool handle to play the game with the music but it doesn't solve the FPS max problem and also i prefer to host the game as file on my hd.

Hungry Horace · 19 November 2007, 22:46

an iso is a file on your HD by definition though?

DrF · 19 November 2007, 22:52

Well you have the ISO, no need to burn it to a actual CDR, just mount the ISO then?

As for this FPS Max problem I have no idea.

I would have thought GameCopy World and Mega Games would have had some patches.

Also Mega Games lists WipeOut XL and WipeOut 2097 as seperate games, where your title lists it together as 1 game? (Just found out its a region thing so all is ok now

)

Anyhow take a look here :

WipeOut XL things

WipeOut 2097

A patch here that claims to slow things down for fast PCs and some network play stuff

Found some forum posts that say your best chance to getting the game working right is some kind of SlowDown CPU app too.

Frog · 19 November 2007, 23:18

@Hungry Horace : are you ironic or do you mean i'm stupid ? i want the game ready to play without using an external tool to run it as Daemon Tool.

@Drf : Thanks for the link, i already check MegaGames link. Itt seems i'm not the only one with this problem, already explain in the forum's link. Unfortunately all files link are dead

EmuChicken · 19 November 2007, 23:22

ever thought to use either VDMsound or even DOSBOX to get the dos sound emulation working? ... its clearly an old game that the newer windows versions dont have a clue to use

dosbox can slow the game down so you're playing it like on a 486dx66 (if you wish).... and also emulates dos sound
vdm just does the sound (i think!)

Hungry Horace · 19 November 2007, 23:27

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Originally Posted by Frog

@Hungry Horace : are you ironic or do you mean i'm stupid ? i want the game ready to play without using an external tool to run it as Daemon Tool.

i just meant you didnt word it very well. personally i see no logic in wanting the original files rather than a single ISO + one very small program, especially since you are probably going to have to use someting like DosBox anyway, as EmuChicken correctly points out.

but maybe that's just me.

DrF · 19 November 2007, 23:29

@EmuChicken

From what I remember its a Windows game. It has options for Direct 3D if I remember and those horrid PVR cards which is how I got WipeOut 2097 it came with the card, and never worked right with that LoL

EmuChicken · 19 November 2007, 23:35

ah... use vdmsound then

. .. still theres the problem with teh speed ... crap :/

Frog · 20 November 2007, 02:48

Thanks for hint.

OddbOd · 20 November 2007, 17:47

This worked for me, just unzip it to the game's install directory and the max. framerate should now be 30 instead of 60, if you type the word FRAMERATE while the game is running it will show the current render speed at the top of the screen.

Frog · 20 November 2007, 21:56

@OddbOd : look interesting but i've found nothing on the link of your homepage

OddbOd · 21 November 2007, 03:29

It would probably help if I had typed the entire URL http://oddbod.merkin.cx/Wipeout2_speedfix.zip

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Originally Posted by Frog

The music of Wipe Out XL on PC are stored as file and not as CD Audio track.

Ahh no actually, the audio is CDDA, the files that you believe to be the audio are in fact just references to the audio tracks. It's easy to get fooled by this because if you copy an "audio" file (they have an SWP extension) from the CD using Windows then the CD filesystem copies the audio sectors but tacks on a RIFF WAV header, this is because the CD's Table of Contents has those regions marked as audio mode sectors. Like many things in Windows it's helpful rather than correct behaviour.

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Originally Posted by DrF

Well you have the ISO, no need to burn it to a actual CDR, just mount the ISO then?

That does work - music and everything - but because the game always looks for the CD in the first optical drive you have to turn off any real CD/DVD drives to get it to work, it's much easier to just burn it.

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Originally Posted by DrF

Also Mega Games lists WipeOut XL and WipeOut 2097 as seperate games, where your title lists it together as 1 game? (Just found out its a region thing so all is ok now

)

They're not exactly the same but with a little file duplication you can use either game EXE with either CD, the fixed speed fixed EXE is from WXL but I'm running without major issue using a 2097 CD.

DrF · 21 November 2007, 09:41

@OddBod

Are you sure it hunts out the first optical drive?
Or is this one of those games that will only see the CD in the drive it was installed from, I have had that recently with a copy of the Sims. So if it was installed from say F: it will always look in F:

Worth checking out?

Frog · 21 November 2007, 11:08

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It would probably help if I had typed the entire URL http://oddbod.merkin.cx/Wipeout2_speedfix.zip

effectively, work better

I thought there was no audio track as file.SWP contain a RIFF WAVE header, worth to check. Thans for info

19 November 2007, 01:28	#1
Frog Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: France Posts: 1,385	WipeOut XL (2097) I've found on an abandonware site an iso of this game but i'm searching for a patch that can handle to run it without the CD and with the music. i've find a NOCD but then, music aren't played even if i copy myself the files. Also if the patch can fix a max FPS value it could help too.

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19 November 2007, 18:50	#4
Hungry Horace Wipe-Out Enthusiast Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: . Age: 43 Posts: 2,538	yeah, you're "killing the amiga" by pirating that!!! sorry, couldnt keep a straight face with that one

19 November 2007, 21:09	#6
DrF Blessed A1200 Of TeH Rat Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bham, UK Age: 42 Posts: 496	Surely a modern app. like Daemon tools or Alchol 120% would be able to mount that ISO and then all is solved

19 November 2007, 21:46	#7
Frog Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: France Posts: 1,385	hmm sorry, first i forget to mention that it's the PC version of the game. As StarEye said, if the site own the permission from the authors/company to host the game then it's legal. BTTR host lot of game in this way. The music of Wipe Out XL on PC are stored as file and not as CD Audio track. Of course using Daemon Tool or a similar tool handle to play the game with the music but it doesn't solve the FPS max problem and also i prefer to host the game as file on my hd.

19 November 2007, 22:46	#8
Hungry Horace Wipe-Out Enthusiast Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: . Age: 43 Posts: 2,538	an iso is a file on your HD by definition though?

19 November 2007, 22:52	#9
DrF Blessed A1200 Of TeH Rat Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bham, UK Age: 42 Posts: 496	Well you have the ISO, no need to burn it to a actual CDR, just mount the ISO then? As for this FPS Max problem I have no idea. I would have thought GameCopy World and Mega Games would have had some patches. Also Mega Games lists WipeOut XL and WipeOut 2097 as seperate games, where your title lists it together as 1 game? (Just found out its a region thing so all is ok now ) Anyhow take a look here : WipeOut XL things WipeOut 2097 A patch here that claims to slow things down for fast PCs and some network play stuff Found some forum posts that say your best chance to getting the game working right is some kind of SlowDown CPU app too.

19 November 2007, 23:18	#10
Frog Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: France Posts: 1,385	@Hungry Horace : are you ironic or do you mean i'm stupid ? i want the game ready to play without using an external tool to run it as Daemon Tool. @Drf : Thanks for the link, i already check MegaGames link. Itt seems i'm not the only one with this problem, already explain in the forum's link. Unfortunately all files link are dead

19 November 2007, 23:22	#11
EmuChicken Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nagoya, Japan (moved!) Age: 41 Posts: 746	ever thought to use either VDMsound or even DOSBOX to get the dos sound emulation working? ... its clearly an old game that the newer windows versions dont have a clue to use dosbox can slow the game down so you're playing it like on a 486dx66 (if you wish).... and also emulates dos sound vdm just does the sound (i think!)

19 November 2007, 23:29	#13
DrF Blessed A1200 Of TeH Rat Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bham, UK Age: 42 Posts: 496	@EmuChicken From what I remember its a Windows game. It has options for Direct 3D if I remember and those horrid PVR cards which is how I got WipeOut 2097 it came with the card, and never worked right with that LoL

19 November 2007, 23:35	#14
EmuChicken Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nagoya, Japan (moved!) Age: 41 Posts: 746	ah... use vdmsound then . .. still theres the problem with teh speed ... crap :/

20 November 2007, 02:48	#15
Frog Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: France Posts: 1,385	Thanks for hint.

20 November 2007, 17:47	#16
OddbOd Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Australia Age: 46 Posts: 666	This worked for me, just unzip it to the game's install directory and the max. framerate should now be 30 instead of 60, if you type the word FRAMERATE while the game is running it will show the current render speed at the top of the screen.

20 November 2007, 21:56	#17
Frog Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: France Posts: 1,385	@OddbOd : look interesting but i've found nothing on the link of your homepage

21 November 2007, 09:41	#19
DrF Blessed A1200 Of TeH Rat Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bham, UK Age: 42 Posts: 496	@OddBod Are you sure it hunts out the first optical drive? Or is this one of those games that will only see the CD in the drive it was installed from, I have had that recently with a copy of the Sims. So if it was installed from say F: it will always look in F: Worth checking out?

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