Speedball 2: does it work with more than 4 megs of ram? - Page 3

Retro1234 · 23 November 2009, 20:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by emuola

I I've reported the errors via the mantis, so we'll see about that.

Until thats sorted ive put the old JST version in the Zone for you to try.

emuola · 23 November 2009, 21:21

Thanks Boo Boo

I know nothing about JST, but I tried to launch this with whdload. It's weird that this version "starts over" when the title screen/logo appears. I mean, at the same point where I got the resload errors before the JST version goes back to the "Image works presents"... and goes over and over and over again. Kinda loopin forever. But no errors. Does this mean anything at all?

Retro-Nerd · 23 November 2009, 21:26

JST is an old hd loader from jodt. Don't start it with WHDLoad. Just copy the JST file to c: of your WB.

http://jffabre.free.fr/amiga/hdtools.html

Retro1234 · 23 November 2009, 21:30

I included JST with the Game you should only need to click the Icon.

:If thst also doesnt work -This probably does mean something -what I dont know

emuola · 23 November 2009, 21:35

Quote:

I included JST with the Game you should only need to click the Icon.

Sorry, ofc that's what I did. I just somehow automatically thought I ran whdload.

It looked different for sure

So, the description of the problem still applies. What is *very* interesting is that 2 different programs fail at the exactly same time while loading the game...

Retro1234 · 23 November 2009, 21:56

Ive had problems with the game Apidya lately both the WHDload and Pyrodex Cr quit at the same point - I feel your pain brother

Photon · 23 November 2009, 23:01

Well, what they say won't make your hardware broken if it works perfectly

Just use the accelerator with 128MB, with WB, with HD-installable games, with utilities, unzip big programs to ram: and start them, with AGA demos... you know. Just use it and if it's stable, it works.

If it works okay, then run Speedball 2 with WHDload 10 times. Does it fail 10 times? Then don't tell me the problem is with hardware, and don't let anyone else tell you that either

Quote:

Originally Posted by emuola

Yes, you did post them, thank you

I just wante to ask whethe I shoul/should not have something in the s-s. Now I know that my setup is correct. I have tried with your simm and others and always changed the settings in setxa. I have also tested every simm with very "slow" settings just to make sure.

My mobo does not have any (visible) fixes. I'll investigate this mater to the extreme before I start desoldering/soldering...

Yes, that's what I've thought, but as people have been telling me that the slaves basically work for everyone else... Ofc there may be other problematic games also, but there certainly are games that work ok too

I'll run some demo stuff for testing purposes. At least the "beach ball" -test (it renders a beach ball..) suplied on the MB1230XA install disk goes through and I get some very respectable scores

I just wonder what really causes those resloads. Like I posted, I've reported the errors via the mantis, so we'll see about that.

Thanks Photon for reply

Galahad/FLT · 23 November 2009, 23:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Photon

If it works okay, then run Speedball 2 with WHDload 10 times. Does it fail 10 times? Then don't tell me the problem is with hardware, and don't let anyone else tell you that either

It clearly is a hardware error seeing as it works on everyone elses machine, including 060

Photon · 23 November 2009, 23:38

Heh, good one.

Flamebait hereby preempted

emuola · 24 November 2009, 07:38

Ok, our "poll" got kinda mixed result, didn't it

I played around yesterday evening, tried a few games (Nitro, Airborne Ranger, 1943, 688 Sub...) and the only demo which is installed as default with ClassicWBLite (Spaceballs: State of the Art) and DPaintIV (opened the dafault ham-images supplied with ClassicWBLite) all ran just fine

Just to wrap this up: I've never had any problems with the applications/utilities, except with the sometimes flaky cf0 transfers (sometimes files seem to disappear, which can be a problem with my cf-card or the adapter). Between dh0, dh1 and dh2 and ram (or vice versa) there's never been anything wrong.

I'll continue to test with some more demanding AGA-demos and more games. Would you have some special demo in mind, Photon?

Photon · 24 November 2009, 13:48

Well, to be honest many demos like 060s and some (a few) are not 100% even with that. For example Alien 2 stops at the last of the space parts IIRC, and Twenty stops at the movie part. I use setpatch 43.6b, maybe that's why. It's just a setpatch a compo orga used, I've no idea if it's the most compatible one.

I know this one worked, but not this one by the same group, both work fine on 060.

But a demo running for 2 minutes and then stopping when initializing another part (which may have different specs) is ofc hardly a sign of broken hardware

especially if they are very recent like the 2 linked ones.

Try TBL or DCS from around 1998-2001-ish maybe would be suitable? I like them.
http://pouet.net/groups.php?which=468&order=release
http://pouet.net/groups.php?which=1&order=release

StingRay · 24 November 2009, 14:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Photon

Twenty stops at the movie part.

If it stops (i.e. you don't see the movie at all?) there is not enough ChipRam left. Try from clean boot, should work then. Has nothing to do with the CPU at all, I coded the demo on a 68060 machine after all!

Photon · 24 November 2009, 16:55

Sure, emuola can try a clean boot. I have the thinnest of startup-sequences to boot to the cli for demos, but potentially I could have run another demo before it that didn't clean up.

adolescent · 24 November 2009, 17:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by emuola

Ok, we may be onto something over here...

I once more changed the "mask" and "maxtransfer" between the defaults and the recommended ones 0x1fe00 and 0xfe00. Same result.

Your Mask and MaxTransfer values are wrong! Use Mask = 0x7fffffff and MaxTransfer = 0x1fe00 and see if that helps.

emuola · 24 November 2009, 17:13

Quote:

Your Mask and MaxTransfer values are wrong! Use Mask = 0x7fffffff and MaxTransfer = 0x1fe00 and see if that helps.

Sorry, I was a bit unclear. I had the mask 0x7fffffff or 0x7ffffffe. Maxtransfer was set to 0x1fe00 or 0xfe00. Tried out every possible combination.

Thanks Photon for the suggestions, I'll try those tonight.

emuola · 24 November 2009, 21:15

Ok, tested acouple. Jesus Christ MX indeed works

I also tried OceanMachine, which worked fine. Then I had to stop, because I have a stomach flu or food poisoning or both...

But ofc I got to report here no matter what

emuola · 26 November 2009, 07:20

Back on track with this mystery

I'll test some more stuff and also try some way older versions of whdload.

emuola · 28 November 2009, 19:49

Been away for a couple of days... How do I actually uninstall whdload? If I try to install the second latest version the installer stops because I have a newer version already installed.

There's nothing about the uninstalling in the docs

TCD · 28 November 2009, 20:01

Just remove the files

Look them up in the lha archive.

emuola · 28 November 2009, 20:06

Quote:

Just remove the files

Look them up in the lha archive.

Ok, simple as that, I guess

23 November 2009, 21:30	#44
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,773	I included JST with the Game you should only need to click the Icon. :If thst also doesnt work -This probably does mean something -what I dont know Last edited by Retro1234; 23 November 2009 at 21:35.

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23 November 2009, 21:21	#42
emuola Registered Whdload user Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Finland Age: 48 Posts: 532	Thanks Boo Boo I know nothing about JST, but I tried to launch this with whdload. It's weird that this version "starts over" when the title screen/logo appears. I mean, at the same point where I got the resload errors before the JST version goes back to the "Image works presents"... and goes over and over and over again. Kinda loopin forever. But no errors. Does this mean anything at all?

23 November 2009, 21:26	#43
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,438	JST is an old hd loader from jodt. Don't start it with WHDLoad. Just copy the JST file to c: of your WB. http://jffabre.free.fr/amiga/hdtools.html

23 November 2009, 21:56	#46
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,773	Ive had problems with the game Apidya lately both the WHDload and Pyrodex Cr quit at the same point - I feel your pain brother

23 November 2009, 23:38	#49
Photon Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Eksjö / Sweden Posts: 5,602	Heh, good one. Flamebait hereby preempted

24 November 2009, 07:38	#50
emuola Registered Whdload user Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Finland Age: 48 Posts: 532	Ok, our "poll" got kinda mixed result, didn't it I played around yesterday evening, tried a few games (Nitro, Airborne Ranger, 1943, 688 Sub...) and the only demo which is installed as default with ClassicWBLite (Spaceballs: State of the Art) and DPaintIV (opened the dafault ham-images supplied with ClassicWBLite) all ran just fine Just to wrap this up: I've never had any problems with the applications/utilities, except with the sometimes flaky cf0 transfers (sometimes files seem to disappear, which can be a problem with my cf-card or the adapter). Between dh0, dh1 and dh2 and ram (or vice versa) there's never been anything wrong. I'll continue to test with some more demanding AGA-demos and more games. Would you have some special demo in mind, Photon?

24 November 2009, 13:48	#51
Photon Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Eksjö / Sweden Posts: 5,602	Well, to be honest many demos like 060s and some (a few) are not 100% even with that. For example Alien 2 stops at the last of the space parts IIRC, and Twenty stops at the movie part. I use setpatch 43.6b, maybe that's why. It's just a setpatch a compo orga used, I've no idea if it's the most compatible one. I know this one worked, but not this one by the same group, both work fine on 060. But a demo running for 2 minutes and then stopping when initializing another part (which may have different specs) is ofc hardly a sign of broken hardware especially if they are very recent like the 2 linked ones. Try TBL or DCS from around 1998-2001-ish maybe would be suitable? I like them. http://pouet.net/groups.php?which=468&order=release http://pouet.net/groups.php?which=1&order=release

24 November 2009, 16:55	#53
Photon Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Eksjö / Sweden Posts: 5,602	Sure, emuola can try a clean boot. I have the thinnest of startup-sequences to boot to the cli for demos, but potentially I could have run another demo before it that didn't clean up.

24 November 2009, 21:15	#56
emuola Registered Whdload user Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Finland Age: 48 Posts: 532	Ok, tested acouple. Jesus Christ MX indeed works I also tried OceanMachine, which worked fine. Then I had to stop, because I have a stomach flu or food poisoning or both... But ofc I got to report here no matter what

26 November 2009, 07:20	#57
emuola Registered Whdload user Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Finland Age: 48 Posts: 532	Back on track with this mystery I'll test some more stuff and also try some way older versions of whdload.

28 November 2009, 19:49	#58
emuola Registered Whdload user Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Finland Age: 48 Posts: 532	Been away for a couple of days... How do I actually uninstall whdload? If I try to install the second latest version the installer stops because I have a newer version already installed. There's nothing about the uninstalling in the docs

28 November 2009, 20:01	#59
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,529	Just remove the files Look them up in the lha archive.

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