Getting Future Wars running on KS3.1 - Page 3

Arnie · 12 June 2015, 05:57

Did you try the pre installed versions for WHDLoad?

Are you using the latest (18.1) WHDLoad?

Arnie · 12 June 2015, 06:08

I've just managed to duplicate your problem in WinUAE. I think the problem maybe NTSC settings. If I enable NTSC in the quickstart, the game doesn't load. If I enable PAL, then the game loads.

EDIT: Hold down both mouse buttons on boot, press a key to select PAL and click boot.

Now try the game from HD, if it works then Insert the disk in DF0:, reboot and repeat the above.

Alternately, you can copy the Pal monitor to Devs:monitors and choose a pal mode from Prefs/screenmode to use for the game.

EDIT: Just read Kippers post #34, the clue was there.

Starglider 2 · 12 June 2015, 07:35

This sounds really promising. But during boot selection "Display Options" is crosshatched out, and pressing a key doesn't seem to switch between PAL/NTSC as the dialog suggests. Is there a fix for that?

EDIT: Copied PAL from Monitors to Devs but after rebooting it doesn't present a PAL option in Prefs, only 4 NTSC options as usual.

Trying to burn your ADF to floppy now (but Amiga Explorer is slow and temperamental.)

Arnie · 12 June 2015, 07:40

That's exactly what happens in WinUAE. I thought it was just a wrong config.

EDIT: Info found on the web;

For switching the Agnus chip needs to be 8372A

You can use a switch on pin #41 of Agnus to select PAL (route the pin to ground)

Find a program called PALBooter

Starglider 2 · 12 June 2015, 07:43

Apparently it's to do with having the older Agnus. Is a new one an easy replacement for a Rev 5 A500?

EDIT: Seems to be. Any idea what version does not equal "old"?

(Still burning your ADF to floppy.)

Arnie · 12 June 2015, 07:48

I'm sure there used to be something called 'mode switch' on one of the coverdisks.

EDIT: Amiga Format issue #39

EDIT: I just read that the Agnus 8372A is a direct replacement in a NTSC machine.

You could also use the 1mb 8375 Agnus, I think you need the 318069-17 (NTSC).

Starglider 2 · 12 June 2015, 08:24

Great. But with your floppy, I get a lot further. The crack splash screen, wavy animation... But then the screen starts rolling and I can't see what it says.

Is this indicative of my NTSC 1084S being the weakest link now?

Arnie · 12 June 2015, 08:29

I doubt it, I think it's the agnus not switching to PAL mode.

Starglider 2 · 12 June 2015, 08:32

Sounds like I need an 8372A!

Starglider 2 · 12 June 2015, 08:34

Would the 8375 be just as good?

Arnie · 12 June 2015, 08:41

I think they are both the same, It probably depends on which one is available.

EDIT: Be careful which 8375 you buy, they're not all compatible.

Sandro · 12 June 2015, 15:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Starglider 2

When I try to run that floppy from within Workbench 3.1, or after copying it to the HD (as it says you can), I get:

delphine
Program failed (error #80000021)

but it seems is not a kickstart 3.1 problem
I just tested such floppy on winuae : basic A1200 config + kick 3.1 : worked

kipper2k · 12 June 2015, 15:38

If i get a chance later i will try on an A500+, 8375 Agnus (PAL), 2mb chip and 8mb fastmem with dual boot 1.3/3.1 and tell you results

Starglider 2 · 12 June 2015, 18:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arnie

I think they are both the same, It probably depends on which one is available.

EDIT: Be careful which 8375 you buy, they're not all compatible.

Thanks!

My current Agnus is:

MOS
8370
3787 23

Any ideas which are compatible or not? Can I put a 2MB 8375 in there (even if it only lets me use 1MB)?

The ones available on Amibay or eBay are either:
8371
8375

kipper2k · 12 June 2015, 19:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Starglider 2

Thanks!

My current Agnus is:

MOS
8370
3787 23

Any ideas which are compatible or not? Can I put a 2MB 8375 in there (even if it only lets me use 1MB)?

The ones available on Amibay or eBay are either:
8371
8375

Cannot use a 8375 unless you have an A500+, most you can use is a 8372A and mod the board for 1mb chipmem. An a500+ will allow up to 2mb chipmem

Starglider 2 · 12 June 2015, 19:27

Thanks. What modding is required?

I also emailed you about buying a chipmem board.

Starglider 2 · 12 June 2015, 19:58

Would this one work?
http://www.amibay.com/showthread.php...-A2000-or-CDTV

Arnie · 12 June 2015, 20:42

I would say, yes.

Starglider 2 · 20 June 2015, 04:32

With thanks to @disk_mizer here is an NTSC WHDLoad version: http://www.filedropper.com/futurewarsntsc

Can anyone get beyond the white cursor and black screen on my config A500 shown below?

Arnie · 20 June 2015, 07:04

I can in WinUAE, although I don't know what 'Supra Clock 500' is to set it.

12 June 2015, 06:08	#42
Arnie R.I.P Smudge 18-08-16 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Leicester/UK Age: 66 Posts: 3,968	I've just managed to duplicate your problem in WinUAE. I think the problem maybe NTSC settings. If I enable NTSC in the quickstart, the game doesn't load. If I enable PAL, then the game loads. EDIT: Hold down both mouse buttons on boot, press a key to select PAL and click boot. Now try the game from HD, if it works then Insert the disk in DF0:, reboot and repeat the above. Alternately, you can copy the Pal monitor to Devs:monitors and choose a pal mode from Prefs/screenmode to use for the game. EDIT: Just read Kippers post #34, the clue was there. Last edited by Arnie; 12 June 2015 at 09:39.

12 June 2015, 07:40	#44
Arnie R.I.P Smudge 18-08-16 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Leicester/UK Age: 66 Posts: 3,968	That's exactly what happens in WinUAE. I thought it was just a wrong config. EDIT: Info found on the web; For switching the Agnus chip needs to be 8372A You can use a switch on pin #41 of Agnus to select PAL (route the pin to ground) Find a program called PALBooter Last edited by Arnie; 12 June 2015 at 07:46.

12 June 2015, 07:48	#46
Arnie R.I.P Smudge 18-08-16 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Leicester/UK Age: 66 Posts: 3,968	I'm sure there used to be something called 'mode switch' on one of the coverdisks. EDIT: Amiga Format issue #39 EDIT: I just read that the Agnus 8372A is a direct replacement in a NTSC machine. You could also use the 1mb 8375 Agnus, I think you need the 318069-17 (NTSC). Last edited by Arnie; 12 June 2015 at 08:27.

12 June 2015, 08:41	#51
Arnie R.I.P Smudge 18-08-16 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Leicester/UK Age: 66 Posts: 3,968	I think they are both the same, It probably depends on which one is available. EDIT: Be careful which 8375 you buy, they're not all compatible. Last edited by Arnie; 12 June 2015 at 10:13.

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12 June 2015, 05:57	#41
Arnie R.I.P Smudge 18-08-16 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Leicester/UK Age: 66 Posts: 3,968	Did you try the pre installed versions for WHDLoad? Are you using the latest (18.1) WHDLoad?

12 June 2015, 07:35	#43
Starglider 2 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: California Posts: 1,146	This sounds really promising. But during boot selection "Display Options" is crosshatched out, and pressing a key doesn't seem to switch between PAL/NTSC as the dialog suggests. Is there a fix for that? EDIT: Copied PAL from Monitors to Devs but after rebooting it doesn't present a PAL option in Prefs, only 4 NTSC options as usual. Trying to burn your ADF to floppy now (but Amiga Explorer is slow and temperamental.)

12 June 2015, 07:43	#45
Starglider 2 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: California Posts: 1,146	Apparently it's to do with having the older Agnus. Is a new one an easy replacement for a Rev 5 A500? EDIT: Seems to be. Any idea what version does not equal "old"? (Still burning your ADF to floppy.)

12 June 2015, 08:24	#47
Starglider 2 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: California Posts: 1,146	Great. But with your floppy, I get a lot further. The crack splash screen, wavy animation... But then the screen starts rolling and I can't see what it says. Is this indicative of my NTSC 1084S being the weakest link now?

12 June 2015, 08:29	#48
Arnie R.I.P Smudge 18-08-16 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Leicester/UK Age: 66 Posts: 3,968	I doubt it, I think it's the agnus not switching to PAL mode.

12 June 2015, 08:32	#49
Starglider 2 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: California Posts: 1,146	Sounds like I need an 8372A!

12 June 2015, 08:34	#50
Starglider 2 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: California Posts: 1,146	Would the 8375 be just as good?

12 June 2015, 15:38	#53
kipper2k Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Thunder Bay, Canada Posts: 4,323	If i get a chance later i will try on an A500+, 8375 Agnus (PAL), 2mb chip and 8mb fastmem with dual boot 1.3/3.1 and tell you results

12 June 2015, 19:27	#56
Starglider 2 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: California Posts: 1,146	Thanks. What modding is required? I also emailed you about buying a chipmem board.

12 June 2015, 19:58	#57
Starglider 2 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: California Posts: 1,146	Would this one work? http://www.amibay.com/showthread.php...-A2000-or-CDTV

12 June 2015, 20:42	#58
Arnie R.I.P Smudge 18-08-16 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Leicester/UK Age: 66 Posts: 3,968	I would say, yes.

20 June 2015, 04:32	#59
Starglider 2 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: California Posts: 1,146	With thanks to @disk_mizer here is an NTSC WHDLoad version: http://www.filedropper.com/futurewarsntsc Can anyone get beyond the white cursor and black screen on my config A500 shown below?

20 June 2015, 07:04	#60
Arnie R.I.P Smudge 18-08-16 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Leicester/UK Age: 66 Posts: 3,968	I can in WinUAE, although I don't know what 'Supra Clock 500' is to set it.

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