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Sorry to say, but you -with such advanced knowledges about the miggy- also somehow left the Amiga scene (your always very respectable reasons). To be honest, I've also left pending my poor incomings to this world and I've left them stopped for some time (personal reasons, just like you I believe), but my idea is to return with my poor updates & things.
But yes, it looks like we all will have to be very sad if Jens forgets about the Amiga. And also, he can't leave it without posting here and telling about it, or just making his own thread. I just think that we all deserve that. When I entered here at EAB, Jens was like God and also he's a great piece of the modern Amiga history because of his hardware innovations. Last edited by Retrofan; 09 March 2019 at 03:09. |
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Anyhow, my point was that I haven't seen a lot from Cloanto over the years that color me impressed. |
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The point is that Cloanto is causing innovative people to quit building stuff with their legal steps... iComp/Hyperion/etc.. This causes less people willing to take the step and thus less to enjoy from. When Jens stops his business a lot less new hw will be available. Prices of old stuff will go up, etc.
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It's unfounded hate, and it's not productive for the community or Amiga, it's just plain and simply dumb. There's nothing saying that Cloanto, now with the intellectual property of Amiga wouldn't make sure that AmigaOS 3.1.4 and its successors wouldn't get releases. Hyperion did none of the work on that project and none of the developers got paid for their work. |
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Cloanto is defending their rights, and rightfully so. If people are quitting the "Amiga business" because they can't deal with it, so be it. I don't care if Jens quit the market. The only legal proceeding as of now is the thing between Hyperion and Cloanto. Jens threatens to quit the market if Cloanto wins that case. That's only forcing people to side with Hyperion because "else I will quit the market", do you think that is okay? I don't.
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there are certainly innovative people in the community, but individual computers deliver for what i know rather conservative then innovative products. low range accelerators in comparison to people designing and building much faster boards and fpga replacements, flicker fixers in an era when you can simply connect the amiga via rgb to an lcd tv, or network or usb interfaces albeit without supporting dma. i dont know, what else they offer..
i think i might own few things built by them, but the only one im using and therefore recall is an x-surf extension, which is simply an old pc-isa card bolted on top of a zorro interface board. its a good working product, but i wouldnt call that innovative except in the sense of conserving development costs. considering this i see a rather conscious price policy, exactly not to deliver innovatively groundbreaking products (like fast accelerators, be it fpga, for little money) in order to keep the price spectrum on certain level that allows the company to be sustained by costant sales. which is perfectly legit and reasonable business strategy, btw. similar applies to both other developments you mention. p96 is apparently just a bugfix release similarly like ks3.1.4. which is both fine, but i wouldnt exactly call it innovative. so, in conclusion, if such a company close down it may hit the collectors mostly, bt if this will inegatively influence innovation. remais to be seen. perhaps exactly the opposite will happen, because people will take things in their hands. (remember for instance the subject of the replacement cases) |
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This extreme ignorance and arrogance (as exemplified by your previous post) is yet another example of the disgusting crap that have been muddying up the Amiga community and helped making it a mere shadow of what it could have been... If this person leaves his money making business because another business with a vested interest is FORCED to make the legal system determine usage rights in order to continue supporting their market - it's his damn choice. Colanto was FORCED to take this action and the one that FORCED it should act as an adult instead of whining. As should you. |
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Just shut the fuck up with your moral crap portraying the Amiga community as being any different back in the days. It never was glorious, stop living in your made up memories. Some people want to see Cloanto doing something useful instead of sitting on shit they bought years ago. |
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Do you know what the term "patent troll" refers to? It's got nothing to do with patents as such — it's all about companies whose only income is based on rights to work done by other companies, acquired through dubious circumstances, and who use those rights to make life worse for other companies actually producing something.
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We're not lawers here, we all have personal opinions, just like you have. You're free to give yours, just like I'm free to give mine. My opinion is that desperately holding on onto bought rights is blocking progress... If I'm not allowed to voice this opinion on an Amiga forum so be it and they should block me.
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how do you know? at least there are obviously people with a different level of competence.
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btw the above applies to any company also in amiga field, such as hyperion or individual computers themselves. its their decisions and their responsibility. Last edited by wawa; 09 March 2019 at 13:33. |
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All the fighting needs to end so people can enjoy their retro hobbie in peace.
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I can't understand why people chose to side with Hyperion in any of this, as they haven't done anything themselves besides owning a license. All work on AmigaOS 4 is done by external contractors(?), and the development has been stagnant for years with loads of issues and unsupported hardware and broken promises. A-Eon has done more work to support and update AmigaOS 4. AmigaOS 3.1.4 isn't made by Hyperion either, but also by external "contractors" who hasn't even gotten paid for their work (their own words). How can someone stand by that and think it's okay? And they did it while breaching a contract that was written in 2009 after years of legal proceedings. Cloanto didn't start this process. Hyperion did. iComp just happens to side with Hyperion for some reason, and threatens to quit if Hyperion loses. For me, that's very childish behaviour from a supposed "professional". Last edited by Marlon_; 09 March 2019 at 16:08. |
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