What has Happened To clone-A? - Page 3

digiflip · 30 May 2011, 11:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by gilgamesh

Why is everybody going wild about Clone A all of a sudden? Jens is working on it since '06, isn't he? So maybe it's more like years...

Same could be said about Natami ie announced by Thomas Hirsch released info on his project 2005 I think for the first version ie the C-One Natami. Yet none available for Consumer use.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natami

http://www.natami.net/

If im Wrong natami Followers maybe you should update the wiki and Natami.net

gilgamesh · 30 May 2011, 11:34

The natami crew showed screenshots, produced prototypes and spill a more or less steady stream of information.The vapor is getting denser.

All I know of Clone A is that Jens is still working on it some way or another. Nothing wrong with that, but the project's status could be anywhere from nearly finished to paper only.

digiflip · 30 May 2011, 13:29

I think Jens wants to surprise everyone and doesn't wont to give too much away has Natami or another project may use his ideas.

I agree with you that Clone_A is more in the dark has less information.

http://www.jschoenfeld.com/news/news123_e.htm

Clone A has had a public demonstration according to that but I dont know if it been updated to handle AGA yet.

I watched google video of it but google have deleted it and not put into there youtube.

found the interview with Total amiga link

http://www.totalamiga.org/files/TA25...iewExtract.pdf

NovaCoder · 02 June 2011, 08:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by gilgamesh

All I know of Clone A is that Jens is still working on it some way or another. Nothing wrong with that, but the project's status could be anywhere from nearly finished to paper only.

It's pretty well accepted that Jens 'finished' CloneA ages ago, I assume the difficulty has been to turn it into something that could be marketed

digiflip · 02 June 2011, 19:30

IF clone A is equal if not better than Natami, I think it should get good sales especially if Clone_A is cheaper than Natami rumoured to be priced similar to sam power pc main-boards.

AmigaDave · 03 June 2011, 01:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid

Hmm, what about keeping this stuff out of a Clone-A thread then? Thanks in advance.

Please point this warning suggestion toward digiflip where it belongs, as he has been trashing Natami in every thread he posts in, whether it has anything to do with FPGA systems, or not.

I am sick and tired of his crap and I have nothing to do with the Natami project.

TCD · 03 June 2011, 02:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by AmigaDave

I am sick and tired of his crap and I have nothing to do with the Natami project.

I tend to agree... The amount of posts where he refers to the NatAmi project whem he wants to talk about the Clone-A is quite interesting. So yes, I second what I said now, but will let the posts stay in here. Next time digiflip wants to compare the two, he should think about it twice, because there's enough of it now here.

TheBilgeRat · 11 May 2013, 18:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by digiflip

please Natami peoples leave your bashing of me on your Natami forums.

Any one Have any ideas what specs Jens Clone-A Could have?

Heh - you ended up being right, Digiflip.

Wonder if this project is getting nearer?

moijk · 11 May 2013, 18:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBilgeRat

Heh - you ended up being right, Digiflip.

Wonder if this project is getting nearer?

Well, probably a hollow "victory" to be correct in "natami" being vaporware - in a thread about another vaporware.

Both the clone-a and the natami (whatever name it'll be under) might and might not be released some time in the future, though.

gunni · 11 May 2013, 22:35

well that piece of gravedigging almost had me thinking there was some interesting amiga news going on there.... now to find a suitable 2 year old thread for my revenge....

Mrs Beanbag · 11 May 2013, 23:50

I don't know but I just found this:
http://www.digilentinc.com/Products/...TOKEN=60113702

I'd like to try putting a 68k softcore into one of those.

whiteb · 11 May 2013, 23:53

I know its a sore point with all the projects seeming to take for ever to come to fruition, only to seem to fade away for one reason or another.

It seems to be the nature of the retro community to refute and put down a project until it actually shows the light of day, look at the negativity that Dennis got about the Minimig while he was developing it (the "This cannot be done" comments), but he persevered. I wonder how many of those who were giving the Minimig negative posts, actually own one now.

Anyway, Maybe the NATAMI or Clone-A will be finished in the future. Who knows. Next project nearing completion (as far as I know) is FPGA Arcade (And lets face it, was due to Minimig showing what can be done).

Who would have thought, Amiga in an FPGA.....

discomeats · 12 May 2013, 01:05

The criticism of Dennis was never rational, I think it was caused by a surreal misunderstanding of technology in some people. Maybe they thought amigas were made of unicorn magic or something.

Natami.. well, is Natami.

As for the FPGA Arcade, the guy doing that has been making FPGA cores for years and has actually released various cores for folk to download and use, I guess that means he's someone with a track record of delivering.

Realistically, I think anyone that has seen people working with FPGA's would have expected someone to make an FPGA Amiga, there are some very skilled folk out there.

Mrs Beanbag · 12 May 2013, 15:28

Board I posted above has Spartan 6 FPGA, HDMI, ethernet, USB, audio out, 128Mb DDR2, and can be had for $350. It's made for testing custom CPU cores. If someone has an Amiga core surely that could handle it, I'm tempted to get one myself to play around with.

discomeats · 12 May 2013, 17:53

Careful, once people realise you can program FPGA's they'll start bugging you with a shopping list of hardware they want

Mrs Beanbag · 12 May 2013, 18:02

I can't... yet... I know a few people who can though

spoUP · 20 November 2013, 06:21

time flies... any news on the release date of clone-a yet?

Gaula92 · 22 November 2013, 12:25

Clone-A would be nonsense nowadays: certain designers have archieved ~100% compatibility using the same idea (FPGA hardware implementation) just with open solutions, like the Minimig V1.1 or the DE1 board

spoUP · 23 November 2013, 02:48

From what i heard the minimig is ocs and quite far from 100% compatible.

NovaCoder · 23 November 2013, 03:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by spoUP

From what i heard the minimig is ocs and quite far from 100% compatible.

No MiniMig is ECS now and basically 100% compatible, I think it also has some kind of turbo function.

For AGA you'll need an FPGA Arcade (if you can get one!).

I don't think we'll ever see CloneA though

One thing is for sure though, the age of FPGA hardware is here

I'm sure someone will create some more FPGA goodies soon.

30 May 2011, 13:29	#43
digiflip Registered User Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Nottingham, United Kingdom Posts: 142	I think Jens wants to surprise everyone and doesn't wont to give too much away has Natami or another project may use his ideas. I agree with you that Clone_A is more in the dark has less information. http://www.jschoenfeld.com/news/news123_e.htm Clone A has had a public demonstration according to that but I dont know if it been updated to handle AGA yet. I watched google video of it but google have deleted it and not put into there youtube. found the interview with Total amiga link http://www.totalamiga.org/files/TA25...iewExtract.pdf Last edited by Graham Humphrey; 30 May 2011 at 14:29. Reason: Back-to-back posts merged

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30 May 2011, 11:34	#42
gilgamesh Linux snob Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Monkey Island Posts: 997	The natami crew showed screenshots, produced prototypes and spill a more or less steady stream of information.The vapor is getting denser. All I know of Clone A is that Jens is still working on it some way or another. Nothing wrong with that, but the project's status could be anywhere from nearly finished to paper only.

02 June 2011, 19:30	#45
digiflip Registered User Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Nottingham, United Kingdom Posts: 142	IF clone A is equal if not better than Natami, I think it should get good sales especially if Clone_A is cheaper than Natami rumoured to be priced similar to sam power pc main-boards.

11 May 2013, 22:35	#50
gunni Registered User Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Dunfermline Posts: 141	well that piece of gravedigging almost had me thinking there was some interesting amiga news going on there.... now to find a suitable 2 year old thread for my revenge....

11 May 2013, 23:50	#51
Mrs Beanbag Glastonbridge Software Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Edinburgh/Scotland Posts: 2,243	I don't know but I just found this: http://www.digilentinc.com/Products/...TOKEN=60113702 I'd like to try putting a 68k softcore into one of those.

11 May 2013, 23:53	#52
whiteb Fanatically Amiga. Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia Age: 54 Posts: 1,557	I know its a sore point with all the projects seeming to take for ever to come to fruition, only to seem to fade away for one reason or another. It seems to be the nature of the retro community to refute and put down a project until it actually shows the light of day, look at the negativity that Dennis got about the Minimig while he was developing it (the "This cannot be done" comments), but he persevered. I wonder how many of those who were giving the Minimig negative posts, actually own one now. Anyway, Maybe the NATAMI or Clone-A will be finished in the future. Who knows. Next project nearing completion (as far as I know) is FPGA Arcade (And lets face it, was due to Minimig showing what can be done). Who would have thought, Amiga in an FPGA.....

12 May 2013, 01:05	#53
discomeats Just add brown sauce. Join Date: May 2008 Location: North East Englandland Posts: 170	The criticism of Dennis was never rational, I think it was caused by a surreal misunderstanding of technology in some people. Maybe they thought amigas were made of unicorn magic or something. Natami.. well, is Natami. As for the FPGA Arcade, the guy doing that has been making FPGA cores for years and has actually released various cores for folk to download and use, I guess that means he's someone with a track record of delivering. Realistically, I think anyone that has seen people working with FPGA's would have expected someone to make an FPGA Amiga, there are some very skilled folk out there.

12 May 2013, 15:28	#54
Mrs Beanbag Glastonbridge Software Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Edinburgh/Scotland Posts: 2,243	Board I posted above has Spartan 6 FPGA, HDMI, ethernet, USB, audio out, 128Mb DDR2, and can be had for $350. It's made for testing custom CPU cores. If someone has an Amiga core surely that could handle it, I'm tempted to get one myself to play around with.

12 May 2013, 17:53	#55
discomeats Just add brown sauce. Join Date: May 2008 Location: North East Englandland Posts: 170	Careful, once people realise you can program FPGA's they'll start bugging you with a shopping list of hardware they want

12 May 2013, 18:02	#56
Mrs Beanbag Glastonbridge Software Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Edinburgh/Scotland Posts: 2,243	I can't... yet... I know a few people who can though

20 November 2013, 06:21	#57
spoUP Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: sweden Age: 46 Posts: 430	time flies... any news on the release date of clone-a yet?

22 November 2013, 12:25	#58
Gaula92 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spain Posts: 527	Clone-A would be nonsense nowadays: certain designers have archieved ~100% compatibility using the same idea (FPGA hardware implementation) just with open solutions, like the Minimig V1.1 or the DE1 board

23 November 2013, 02:48	#59
spoUP Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: sweden Age: 46 Posts: 430	From what i heard the minimig is ocs and quite far from 100% compatible.

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