Arcade Pool (A500 OCS 1mb)

[dlfrsilver]

Problem found and solved in emulation : This game requires (CE) cycle-exact under winuae, otherwise the chipset test fails and find (AGA) instead of (OCS).

So galahad must be right about the OCS/ECS/AGA detect routine which is at fault.

EDIT : also found a funny phrase inside the game : 'pippistrello pippistrello, perchè hai fatto la pipi dentro all'ombrello?'
which means, "Bat, bat, why did you peed inside the umbrella?"

[Superman]

Thats for taking a look into this Galahad. I have tried it on my A500 with 512k chip 512k fast and I still get a Guru Meditation as soon as I left click the mouse from the crack screen. It does work fine in WinUAE though with OCS and ECS chipsets selected. My Amiga must have some other issue with this I suspect.



I trieds those 2 games you mentioned other_reality and Body Blow Galactic works fine for me as you can see. Its the Fairlight crack (+8ATX) version.




Alien Breed Tower Assault crashed out as though someone had ripped out my scart cable. The screen just went off and as soon as I pressed the CTRL A A to reset the Amiga I got a Guru Meditation.

[other_reality]

Ok, we have the same problems with arcade pool and tower assault. Just tried out galahad's adf. Forget about bb galactic, mine works too i was using an aga set by mistake.

[Galahad/FLT]

Right, follow me and we'll solve it.

Game boots up, reads track 0, then steps right to the end of the disk to track 79
Cracktro then displays.
On exit, the drive 'should' then step back to track 0 again before then stepping to track 61 and then loading.

After you exit the cracktro do you hear the disk drive do anything at all or does it crash immediately?

[other_reality]

in my case, it crashes immediately after crack text. power blinks and goes to guru. damn gotek has no sound though, but yeah, it goes off in a snap so my bet is it doesnt have time to read, just crashes.

[Galahad/FLT]

Originally Posted by other_reality

in my case, it crashes immediately after crack text. power blinks and goes to guru. damn gotek has no sound though, but yeah, it goes off in a snap so my bet is it doesnt have time to read, just crashes.

Try this. Hold left mouse button down before cracktro appears, and tell me if that works.

[StingRay]

Originally Posted by dlfrsilver

Problem found and solved in emulation : This game requires (CE) cycle-exact under winuae, otherwise the chipset test fails and find (AGA) instead of (OCS).

So galahad must be right about the OCS/ECS/AGA detect routine which is at fault.

That's nonsense! Game checks DeniseID for chipset check so nothing to do with the speed of the emulated machine. Why something must be buggy just because it requires cycle-exact emulation is beyond me anyway...

Originally Posted by other_reality

Ok, we have the same problems with arcade pool and tower assault. Just tried out galahad's adf. Forget about bb galactic, mine works too i was using an aga set by mistake.

I have, just for fun, cracked Arcade pool to 100% DOS files. Please try attached image, does it work for you? Please notice that this is more or less a quick hack and just for testing so please disable any external drives you have as otherwise the game might freeze due to lack of memory.

If my version works for you I'll create a 100% proper release of the game.

[other_reality]

Originally Posted by StingRay

DOS files. Please try attached image, does it work for you? Please notice that this is more or less a quick hack and just for testing so please disable any external drives you have as otherwise the game might freeze due to lack of memory.

If my version works for you I'll create a 100% proper release of the game.

OK tried it, It boots up, shows Team 17 logo, and when it goes to the screen with the detected specs, it shows AGA as chipset and then throws a corrupt screen and freezes.

Galahad's disk with the left mouse button pressed though works !!! It shows Original chipset in the said spec screen and goes on to play the game. Pretty cool !

If you can trick Tower Assault the same way i think it'll work as well.

[StingRay]

Originally Posted by other_reality

OK tried it, It boots up, shows Team 17 logo, and when it goes to the screen with the detected specs, it shows AGA as chipset and then throws a corrupt screen and freezes.

The freeze is because there is not enough memory available and I know how to fix this problem. I'll continue to create a proper version then, watch this space.

[Toni Wilen]

Originally Posted by StingRay

That's nonsense! Game checks DeniseID for chipset check so nothing to do with the speed of the emulated machine. Why something must be buggy just because it requires cycle-exact emulation is beyond me anyway...

DeniseID is unreliable if Denise is OCS (DeniseID is ECS Denise and later only), CPU gets back "bus noise" (It is not all ones necessarily, especially if any Agnus DMA channel is currently active) which can also depend (maybe, I am not sure) on type of mainboard and used expansions and so on. VPOSR is much better choice for chipset type testing.

[StingRay]

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

DeniseID is unreliable if Denise is OCS (DeniseID is ECS Denise and later only), CPU gets back "bus noise" (It is not all ones necessarily, especially if any Agnus DMA channel is currently active) which can also depend (maybe, I am not sure) on type of mainboard and used expansions and so on. VPOSR is much better choice for chipset type testing.

Yes I know that there are much better approaches to check the chipset, I personally use VPOSR check which has always worked reliably so far.

[Galahad/FLT]

Originally Posted by other_reality

OK tried it, It boots up, shows Team 17 logo, and when it goes to the screen with the detected specs, it shows AGA as chipset and then throws a corrupt screen and freezes.

Galahad's disk with the left mouse button pressed though works !!! It shows Original chipset in the said spec screen and goes on to play the game. Pretty cool !

If you can trick Tower Assault the same way i think it'll work as well.

Well, if you take your original Delirium crack and just hold left mouse button down on bootup to bypass the Delirium intro, game should now work

[dlfrsilver]

Originally Posted by StingRay

Yes I know that there are much better approaches to check the chipset, I personally use VPOSR check which has always worked reliably so far.

But i was right Stingy And Toni confirmed it

[StingRay]

The chipset check IS bad, true and if there wouldn't have been your "if something needs CE emulation it must be broken" conclusion I wouldn't have commented at all.

Anyway, properly fixed and 100% system-friendly DOS version will soon be available.

[Superman]

I just tried the left mousebutton trick on Galahads version and my Amiga instantly goes to a flashing power light guru meditation. Stingray your version loads up perfectly fine as normal. The system check screen says "AGA" for the chipset which clearly my A500 isn't but the game works as you can see from this pic I took:

[Galahad/FLT]

Originally Posted by Superman

I just tried the left mousebutton trick on Galahads version and my Amiga instantly goes to a flashing power light guru meditation. Stingray your version loads up perfectly fine as normal. The system check screen says "AGA" for the chipset which clearly my A500 isn't but the game works as you can see from this pic I took:

Is yours a 1meg chip ram machine?

[Superman]

Well thats a good question because thinking back (20+ years ago) I'm sure my dad did a 1mb chip ram conversion as I have a wire soldered on the motherboard on some jumpers. All memory check software tells me I have 512k chip and 512k slow though.

See the red wire here next to kickstart



Here is what is reported in sysinfo (workbench avail is the same)

[Galahad/FLT]

Ok, take the original Delirium crack from the zone, do the same thing with my version and hold down left mouse button when loading and see if that works.

[Superman]

Same result on both, I get a bright white screen and the power light flashes to an instant Guru Meditation.

Stingrays version that worked has no cracktro at all so maybe thats whats giving my computer some problems? Its very strange indeed.

[other_reality]

Hey, at least one version is working for each of us ! Problem with tower assault is that intro is unskippable, so please stingray or galahad could you fix that one as well - if you're in the mood ofcourse .