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Old 26 April 2020, 08:00   #1
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Spectrum music format ?

Hi guys

As title says, what is the music format for the Sinclair Spectrum computer ?

I'm not able to locate it here in this database

https://www.exotica.org.uk/wiki/Special:Modland

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Old 26 April 2020, 08:07   #2
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That's because there's nothing on the Sinclair Spectrum that qualifies as music.

But seriously, the AY format seems to be the major one for Spectrums (Spectra?) equipped with something else than the beeper: http://www.vgmpf.com/Wiki/index.php?title=AY
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Old 26 April 2020, 08:15   #3
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So, is this one ?

https://www.exotica.org.uk/mediawiki...&md=for&id=276
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Old 26 April 2020, 14:19   #4
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That's because there's nothing on the Sinclair Spectrum that qualifies as music.

But seriously, the AY format seems to be the major one for Spectrums (Spectra?) equipped with something else than the beeper: http://www.vgmpf.com/Wiki/index.php?title=AY
Don't forget then unique 3 channel beeper music - must be a format for this too?

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Old 26 April 2020, 15:52   #5
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That's because there's nothing on the Sinclair Spectrum that qualifies as music.
...educate yo'self...

The in-built beeper was as basic as you can get, but even so, some of the fx wizards managed to [ Show youtube player ] (which is symptomatic of the whole Sinclair story: squeezing code magic out of a very limited hardware).

Considering the limitations these are as impressive achievements as any Amiga tune.

And AY was whole different ballgame of course, not as powerful as SID and its ilk, but still [ Show youtube player ].
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Old 26 April 2020, 16:13   #6
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Still some confusion here

Exist a Spectrum music format or not ?
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Old 26 April 2020, 16:44   #7
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Yes, ".ay". for the AY chip (also used in Amstrad). I don't know about beeper tunes (actually it seems .ay covers it as well).

http://www.worldofspectrum.org/projectay/gdmusic.htm
https://zxart.ee/eng/music/
http://zxtunes.com/
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Old 26 April 2020, 16:47   #8
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Thanks for the info

Not to be pedantic, but i guess this AY chip is not always present in Spectrum computers, isn't it ?
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https://www.worldofspectrum.org/projectay/gdmusic.htm
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Old 26 April 2020, 18:23   #10
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Regarding this issue i would like a standalone music player for the AY format or as alternative a plugin for XMPlay ..... thanks !
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Could the Spectrum beep as well as play ay tunes - 4 channels (or 6)?
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...educate yo'self...

The in-built beeper was as basic as you can get, but even so, some of the fx wizards managed to [ Show youtube player ] (which is symptomatic of the whole Sinclair story: squeezing code magic out of a very limited hardware).

Considering the limitations these are as impressive achievements as any Amiga tune.

And AY was whole different ballgame of course, not as powerful as SID and its ilk, but still [ Show youtube player ].
And you might want to educate yourself a bit about of the use of irony - it might indicated by the utilization of things like smileys. Also that a sentence is followed by another one beginning with "But seriously" might be a hint.

But seriously - I am well aware of both beeper and AY music on the Speccy, and while the former one is not exactly my cup of tea, I fully appreciate the technical marvellousness behind some of it. So no hard feelings please, ut was just a tongue-in-cheek remark poking a bit of fun at the slightly rudimentary sound capabilities of the original Spectrum.

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Could the Spectrum beep as well as play ay tunes - 4 channels (or 6)?
In theory yes - it can be used to play samples with techniques like PWM, so you can mix more channels in software. Channel limits depend on sampling rate and quality. Have a look e.g. here: [ Show youtube player ]

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And you might want to educate yourself a bit about of the use of irony - it might indicated by the utilization of things like smileys. Also that a sentence is followed by another one beginning with "But seriously" might be a hint.
Aiiight, I did overreact perhaps....sorry. It just so happens I'm bit touchy on the subject of my first micro-love

@chip: check the WoS link, there are some players there too (even an Amiga plug in)
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Aiiight, I did overreact perhaps....sorry. It just so happens I'm bit touchy on the subject of my first micro-love
No problem, I guess I should have been better aware of the fact that this is the English Amiga Board after all and that there may be certain sensitivities.
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You can actually get some real music out of 48k Spectrum – it's just ridiculously hard.

There are nice demos (some of them already mentioned here) that show what can be done if you rip the system completely apart.

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The Speccy uses .ay format, but players are hard to come by as the format includes z80 asm code which it is necessary to emulate in order to reproduce it.
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hmm, ay format is not the same of Atari ST since is the same audio chip? So some converter for the 128 music should be feasible
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@chip, watch this nearly 50 minutes long historical video [ Show youtube player ] maybe we all learn some more about wonderful little home computers in the 80ths.
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Yep, thanks !
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hmm, ay format is not the same of Atari ST since is the same audio chip? So some converter for the 128 music should be feasible
No. The Speccy used a z80 CPU and the vast majority of the AY files out there contain z80 code for the replayer due to the nature of the how the AY works. I have no idea of how the ST saves music files but it seems unlikely that a converter would be feasible, given the halting problem.
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