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Old 06 June 2017, 21:09   #1
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Carcharodon - Budget Release not supported?

Have the Budget version of Carcharodon released by Global Software, my CT RAW sticks on Track 01 using the WHDLoad install by Galahad in WinUAE, in fact it freezes WinUAE altogether and ejecting the disk doesn't help so you're forced to reboot!

I've put my CT RAW in the Zone in case Galahad/anyone else wants to give it a coat of looking at!
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Old 06 June 2017, 21:25   #2
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It worked for me iirc, but I had to insert the disk when told, not before see http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?...ht=Carcharodon

(I haven't tried to install it recently though, so it might be a problem with newer whdloadlir perhaps)
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Old 06 June 2017, 21:48   #3
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no versions are supported, i own both, the whdload installer doesn't work..... It's a very old problem....
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Old 06 June 2017, 22:29   #4
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no versions are supported, i own both, the whdload installer doesn't work..... It's a very old problem....
Thats not true and you know it, one version is supported, but its an old install I must update
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I did insert the disk when the installer said but still wouldn't install! Denis, if no versions are supported what version was the original installer made with?

Galahad just pipped me, original release then is supported, but budget not supported. Yes, please update the install
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Old 07 June 2017, 18:31   #6
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Thats not true and you know it, one version is supported, but its an old install I must update
I have both versions, and they never installed, each time the install program fails.
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Old 07 June 2017, 18:35   #7
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I did insert the disk when the installer said but still wouldn't install! Denis, if no versions are supported what version was the original installer made with?

Galahad just pipped me, original release then is supported, but budget not supported. Yes, please update the install
I have the original retail release, and i have also the budget version.

Original version doesn't work, and budget release too. I have never been able to install this game from my original disks, and those have no errors (SPS did IPFs out of my dump back in the day).

this game use 3 different repeated syncs per "nibble".

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a little reminder from an old topic :

Stingray checked Galahad's installer, and found this :

"It's definitely a problem with the loader in the imager. There's code to fix the CPU dependent timing but I can't see that this code is called at all. Thus the loader still uses empty dbf loops for timing which means it won't work correctly on 68020+ machines."

Next this from me :

"not mine, i have never been able to install the game from the installer whdload on my A1200 nor Winuae (even the latest release). And i add that i own 2 retail copies of this game, and the IPF 2389 is made from my original.

"On my A1230/50, the screen stays black, and the disk imager desesperately try to read the original disk. Under winuae very latest release, under classicwb, it behaves the same, black screen and stuck on track counter track 1."

Next i posted this about Carcharodon disk format :

"I did the disk format parameter thru Powercopy, do you want it to convert your install to use RAWDIC ?

Here you are :

Track length is $1820

track 00.0 => amigados
track 00.1 => nosync
track 01.0 => sync $8915
track 01.1 => sync $8915
track 02.0 => sync $8945
track 02.1 => sync $8945
track 03.0 => sync $8945
track 03.1 => sync $8945
track 04.0 => sync $8945
track 04.1 => sync $8915
track 05.0 => sync $8915
track 05.1 => sync $8915
track 06.0 => sync $8915
track 06.1 => sync $8915
track 07.0 => sync $8915
track 07.1 => sync $8915
track 08.0 => sync $8915
track 08.1 => sync $8915
track 09.0 => sync $8915
track 09.1 => sync $8915
track 10.0 => sync $8945
track 10.1 => sync $8945
track 11.0 => sync $8945
track 11.1 => sync $8915
track 12.0 => sync $8915
track 12.1 => sync $8915
track 13.0 => sync $8915
track 13.1 => sync $8915
track 14.0 => sync $8915
track 14.1 => sync $8915
track 15.0 => sync $8915
track 15.1 => sync $8915
track 16.0 => sync $8915
track 16.1 => sync $8915
track 17.0 => sync $8915
track 17.1 => sync $8915
track 18.0 => sync $8915
track 18.1 => sync $8915
track 19.0 => sync $8915
track 19.1 => sync $8945
track 20.0 => sync $8945
track 21.1 => sync $8945
track 22.0 => sync $8945
track 22.1 => sync $8945
track 23.0 => sync $8945
track 23.1 => sync $8945
track 24.0 => sync $8945
track 24.1 => sync $8945
track 25.0 to track 32.1 => sync $8915
track 33.0 to track 36.1 => sync $8945
track 37.0 to track 42.1 => sync $8915
track 43.0 to track 50.0 => sync $8945
track 51.1 to track 56.0 => sync $8915
track 56.1 to track 62.0 => sync $8945
track 62.1 to track 64.0 => sync $8915
track 64.1 to track 66.1 => sync $8945
track 67.0 to track 73.0 => sync $8915
track 73.1 to track 75.1 => sync $8945
track 76.0 to track 79.0 => AmigaDos
track 79.1 => sync $4489 (Scores i think)
track 80.0 to 81.1 (seems empty)."

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It worked for me iirc, but I had to insert the disk when told, not before see http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?...ht=Carcharodon

(I haven't tried to install it recently though, so it might be a problem with newer whdloadlir perhaps)
Fryguy, please upload somewhere your very own original dump of Carcharodon please

I will check the CTraw file, it will enlight about why it worked for you and not for Barry and me.
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Ok, i have examined Fryguy retail version, it's the same as Barry, and mine.

The budget release also has the same syncwords as the retail version.

So this confirm what Stingray said, in fact Carcharodon installer never worked since day one due to a programming omission.

The first non Amigados track is the "carcharodon boot" track, a small piece of data sized 262 bytes which loads the game.

The installer fails on it in fact. So now, Galahad has just to rework the slave, and make a rawdic installer

Thanks to Fryguy for retail and budget releases which allowed the compare
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Old 11 June 2017, 17:56   #11
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Well at least retail/budget are the same version, thanks for checking! Let's hope Galahad addresses this like he's just addressed the bad crack of Zoom! and done a 100% version
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