CDTV Titles Needing Conversion

Amigajay · 11 January 2016, 13:50

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jotd · 11 January 2016, 22:23

Would using an ECS WHDLoad version be OK? I'm thinking of Wrath Of the Demon, Turrican series, that could work with CD32LOAD.

Lucas games (Loom, Indy) don't work because of 1.3-only way of opening the screen. The only alternative would be an AGA-fix (did that on monkey island a long time ago, but forgot how!) or whdload slave.
A lot of games on your list are OS-friendly. Well, Kick 1.3 friendly

Probably because no OS-killer CD loading routine was developped at the time (unlike on CD32)

I'm thinking more and more about adding Kickemu support to CD32Load. Unless Bert adapts whdloadCD32 to CD load & joypad remap. We'll see.

earok · 11 January 2016, 22:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by jotd

Would using an ECS WHDLoad version be OK? I'm thinking of Wrath Of the Demon, Turrican series, that could work with CD32LOAD.

I think for most that should be fine. I've released the CDTV versions of Turrican on a compilation already, 1 is loaded via KillAGA and 2 is loaded via WHDLoad. The Turrican CDTV versions are better than the floppy ones on CD32 because of additional gamepad support (especially for the high score table).

Quote:

Originally Posted by jotd

I'm thinking more and more about adding Kickemu support to CD32Load. Unless Bert adapts whdloadCD32 to CD load & joypad remap. We'll see.

yes please

Amigajay · 11 January 2016, 23:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by jotd

Would using an ECS WHDLoad version be OK? I'm thinking of Wrath Of the Demon, Turrican series, that could work with CD32LOAD.

As long as theres no difference to the CDTV version and they can be played with a control pad with no issues i dont see a problem.

Ive updated the non working list to seperate which games are ports and which are only CDTV only, others need an English version if available.

jotd · 12 January 2016, 10:49

wrath of the demon OCS works fine with CD32Load on a CD32 (emulator).
One off the list...

earok · 13 January 2016, 07:10

however..

I've noticed that WOTD's save file is only 320 bytes. I presume there's no chance of NVRAM saving planned for CD32Load?

If not, I think I can just do a bunch of saves for it.

Edit: I've started doing manual saves for the game, and then hacking them to have a full suite of potions. I can't make any sense of the save file format so I'm playing through the whole game, in each slot (32 bytes) the first three bytes correlate to the three potions and the very last one correlates to the level, but I can't understand how all of the bytes in the middle work.

jotd · 17 January 2016, 23:35

NVRAM save is a bit early... We'll see later.

BTW 2 new titles working with CD32LOAD V0.09 released today: Turrican & Turrican 2 (whdload, cdtv versions), which makes 2 off the list!

Amigajay · 23 January 2016, 23:29

Have been testing the working cdtv titles today on my CD32 to clarify the list, and have updated it accordingly, only a few changes from the results i found;

Classic Board Games - doesn't need a mouse, joypad works fine.
Sherlock Holmes - needs mouse
Team Yankee - needs mouse

Played Snoopy and Raffles for a bit, not sure why a keyboard is needed (original person who playtested stated so) perhaps i haven't reached that stage, but they certainly are playable as far as i can tell.

Ive updated the first post to reflect the changes.

Btw if someone can gratefully make new isos for the new cd32load (cdtv) versions i.e turrican 2 and wrath of the demon (earok has already made turrican for us in the zone) i'll test them on real hardware.

Edit:

Those who want new CD32 covers for the CDTV compatible games I've added them on my blog today, you can get them here.

Amigajay · 05 March 2016, 22:41

I've updated the first post again, been testing and burning a few more CDTV titles, i forgot to move Sherlock Holmes from working to non-working as it crashes when the cdxl segments load.

Sim City, Falcon and Case of the Cautious Condor games all work on the CD32 and have been moved to their correct positions in the list (i should have remembered the former i bought it for £5 in a bin sale in Dixons) Falcon works but you need both a keyboard and mouse to operate.

Finally I've burned some discs which i will test tomorrow using JOTDs latest CD32Load to hopefully get some unofficial CDTV-CD32 fixed games running and will upload them when tested and working.

So down to 19 non working CDTV games atm, hopefully that will be lower tomorrow!
I've also updated the working CDTV covers on my blog to bring it upto 25 (excluding cd32 versions)

Amigajay · 06 March 2016, 12:26

Ok I've uploaded 4 CD32 compatible CDTV games (that weren't compatible before) to the ftp (cd32 folder).

Turrican (no more graphical errors)
Turrican 2
Holiday Maker (German Only, no English version)

all now run than thanks to JOTD's newest CD32Load.

Chaos in Andromeda - Eyes of the Eagle

I got running using killaga utility, so you can play the full CDTV version with cd audio, speech etc which wouldnt be possible using whdload.

That's all for now, others I've tried load but control issues prevent you from playing, Wrath of the demon loads after an age, but gets stuck on the title screen, Power Pinball plays from mouse but crashes when the ball hits a bumper on the outer walls!

13 January 2017, 11:13

I'm hoping something can be done with the CDTV version of Spirit of Excalibur, as I was the lead programmer on that project (as well as director of the voiceover recordings).

I found that, when I try to run it in Amiga Forever's CDTV environment, the publisher's and our company's intro animations come up just fine, but the game itself doesn't load.

(And, before you ask, no, I don't have any of the source code for that game -- and, besides, I suspect any incompatibilities came from the authoring process; we just created a floppy-based version that ran on an external drive connected to the CDTV with a CD of the audio tracks in the actual unit, then sent the whole mess to Commodore to create the actual final disc.)

earok · 13 January 2017, 12:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by regnaD kciN

I'm hoping something can be done with the CDTV version of Spirit of Excalibur, as I was the lead programmer on that project (as well as director of the voiceover recordings).

I found that, when I try to run it in Amiga Forever's CDTV environment, the publisher's and our company's intro animations come up just fine, but the game itself doesn't load.

(And, before you ask, no, I don't have any of the source code for that game -- and, besides, I suspect any incompatibilities came from the authoring process; we just created a floppy-based version that ran on an external drive connected to the CDTV with a CD of the audio tracks in the actual unit, then sent the whole mess to Commodore to create the actual final disc.)

Interesting.. I'm unfamiliar with the title but I've given it a quick test.

Seems to need NTSC mode enabled? Have you turned that on.

It may be possible to patch the ISO with a utility that forces the system into NTSC mode..

Edit: Or maybe not.. hmm. I'll investigate a bit more

Edit 2: It seems that there's something about the logo/intro that crashes the disc.. but if you run in NTSC mode it skips the logo, hence the game itself works..

Edit 3: On further investigation, it appears the issue relates to CD music.. if you just have an ISO of the game without music, it loads both the logo/intro and then the game proper just fine. I also found a related thread - http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=54353 I'll ask Toni what the story is..

Toni Wilen · 13 January 2017, 12:50

I think I tested this on real CDTV and had same results. Only works in NTSC mode because it skips the logo parts that run the buggy CD access code..

earok · 13 January 2017, 13:18

Ok! I've updated my copy of WinUAE to the latest stable (3.4.0), game works just fine.

So no problem with the Spirit of Excalibur image itself, just the emulator needs to be updated.

earok · 13 January 2017, 13:21

Whoops, sorry @Toni didn't see your previous response! Looks like you've fixed it between 3.2.2 and 3.4..

Retro1234 · 13 January 2017, 13:27

Thats what happeneds when you let commodore master your disc.

earok · 13 January 2017, 13:28

Ignore everything I've just said, problem seems to be in WinUAE 3.4 as well.. I really need some sleep.

Amigajay · 13 January 2017, 13:43

Was the game released at all in Europe? Can't imagine many CDTV sold in the US, you try and find a NTSC version of Hutchinson's Encyclopedia!

FOL · 13 January 2017, 14:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by regnaD kciN

I'm hoping something can be done with the CDTV version of Spirit of Excalibur, as I was the lead programmer on that project (as well as director of the voiceover recordings).

I found that, when I try to run it in Amiga Forever's CDTV environment, the publisher's and our company's intro animations come up just fine, but the game itself doesn't load.

(And, before you ask, no, I don't have any of the source code for that game -- and, besides, I suspect any incompatibilities came from the authoring process; we just created a floppy-based version that ran on an external drive connected to the CDTV with a CD of the audio tracks in the actual unit, then sent the whole mess to Commodore to create the actual final disc.)

Never knew there was a CDTV version. It was one of my most favorite games on the A500. Even had the original,

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earok · 14 January 2017, 01:29

I presume we could simply replace the intro on the CDTV edition with the soundless one from the floppy disk version..

What I'm particularly interested in is why the game seems to be CD32 incompatible. It does not seem to have an issue playing on an A1200.

11 January 2016, 13:50	#1
Amigajay Registered User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: > Posts: 2,889	CDTV Titles Needing Conversion .. Last edited by Amigajay; 07 February 2021 at 09:44.

13 January 2016, 07:10	#6
earok Registered User Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Auckland Posts: 3,542	however.. I've noticed that WOTD's save file is only 320 bytes. I presume there's no chance of NVRAM saving planned for CD32Load? If not, I think I can just do a bunch of saves for it. Edit: I've started doing manual saves for the game, and then hacking them to have a full suite of potions. I can't make any sense of the save file format so I'm playing through the whole game, in each slot (32 bytes) the first three bytes correlate to the three potions and the very last one correlates to the level, but I can't understand how all of the bytes in the middle work. Last edited by earok; 13 January 2016 at 12:10.

23 January 2016, 23:29	#8
Amigajay Registered User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: > Posts: 2,889	Have been testing the working cdtv titles today on my CD32 to clarify the list, and have updated it accordingly, only a few changes from the results i found; Classic Board Games - doesn't need a mouse, joypad works fine. Sherlock Holmes - needs mouse Team Yankee - needs mouse Played Snoopy and Raffles for a bit, not sure why a keyboard is needed (original person who playtested stated so) perhaps i haven't reached that stage, but they certainly are playable as far as i can tell. Ive updated the first post to reflect the changes. Btw if someone can gratefully make new isos for the new cd32load (cdtv) versions i.e turrican 2 and wrath of the demon (earok has already made turrican for us in the zone) i'll test them on real hardware. Edit: Those who want new CD32 covers for the CDTV compatible games I've added them on my blog today, you can get them here. Last edited by Amigajay; 24 January 2016 at 17:01.

05 March 2016, 22:41	#9
Amigajay Registered User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: > Posts: 2,889	I've updated the first post again, been testing and burning a few more CDTV titles, i forgot to move Sherlock Holmes from working to non-working as it crashes when the cdxl segments load. Sim City, Falcon and Case of the Cautious Condor games all work on the CD32 and have been moved to their correct positions in the list (i should have remembered the former i bought it for £5 in a bin sale in Dixons) Falcon works but you need both a keyboard and mouse to operate. Finally I've burned some discs which i will test tomorrow using JOTDs latest CD32Load to hopefully get some unofficial CDTV-CD32 fixed games running and will upload them when tested and working. So down to 19 non working CDTV games atm, hopefully that will be lower tomorrow! I've also updated the working CDTV covers on my blog to bring it upto 25 (excluding cd32 versions) Last edited by Amigajay; 06 March 2016 at 12:57.

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11 January 2016, 22:23	#2
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,200	Would using an ECS WHDLoad version be OK? I'm thinking of Wrath Of the Demon, Turrican series, that could work with CD32LOAD. Lucas games (Loom, Indy) don't work because of 1.3-only way of opening the screen. The only alternative would be an AGA-fix (did that on monkey island a long time ago, but forgot how!) or whdload slave. A lot of games on your list are OS-friendly. Well, Kick 1.3 friendly Probably because no OS-killer CD loading routine was developped at the time (unlike on CD32) I'm thinking more and more about adding Kickemu support to CD32Load. Unless Bert adapts whdloadCD32 to CD load & joypad remap. We'll see.

12 January 2016, 10:49	#5
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,200	wrath of the demon OCS works fine with CD32Load on a CD32 (emulator). One off the list...

17 January 2016, 23:35	#7
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,200	NVRAM save is a bit early... We'll see later. BTW 2 new titles working with CD32LOAD V0.09 released today: Turrican & Turrican 2 (whdload, cdtv versions), which makes 2 off the list!

06 March 2016, 12:26	#10
Amigajay Registered User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: > Posts: 2,889	Ok I've uploaded 4 CD32 compatible CDTV games (that weren't compatible before) to the ftp (cd32 folder). Turrican (no more graphical errors) Turrican 2 Holiday Maker (German Only, no English version) all now run than thanks to JOTD's newest CD32Load. Chaos in Andromeda - Eyes of the Eagle I got running using killaga utility, so you can play the full CDTV version with cd audio, speech etc which wouldnt be possible using whdload. That's all for now, others I've tried load but control issues prevent you from playing, Wrath of the demon loads after an age, but gets stuck on the title screen, Power Pinball plays from mouse but crashes when the ball hits a bumper on the outer walls!

13 January 2017, 11:13	#11
regnaD kciN Posts: n/a	I'm hoping something can be done with the CDTV version of Spirit of Excalibur, as I was the lead programmer on that project (as well as director of the voiceover recordings). I found that, when I try to run it in Amiga Forever's CDTV environment, the publisher's and our company's intro animations come up just fine, but the game itself doesn't load. (And, before you ask, no, I don't have any of the source code for that game -- and, besides, I suspect any incompatibilities came from the authoring process; we just created a floppy-based version that ran on an external drive connected to the CDTV with a CD of the audio tracks in the actual unit, then sent the whole mess to Commodore to create the actual final disc.)

13 January 2017, 12:50	#13
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,517	I think I tested this on real CDTV and had same results. Only works in NTSC mode because it skips the logo parts that run the buggy CD access code..

13 January 2017, 13:18	#14
earok Registered User Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Auckland Posts: 3,542	Ok! I've updated my copy of WinUAE to the latest stable (3.4.0), game works just fine. So no problem with the Spirit of Excalibur image itself, just the emulator needs to be updated.

13 January 2017, 13:21	#15
earok Registered User Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Auckland Posts: 3,542	Whoops, sorry @Toni didn't see your previous response! Looks like you've fixed it between 3.2.2 and 3.4..

13 January 2017, 13:27	#16
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,775	Thats what happeneds when you let commodore master your disc.

13 January 2017, 13:28	#17
earok Registered User Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Auckland Posts: 3,542	Ignore everything I've just said, problem seems to be in WinUAE 3.4 as well.. I really need some sleep.

13 January 2017, 13:43	#18
Amigajay Registered User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: > Posts: 2,889	Was the game released at all in Europe? Can't imagine many CDTV sold in the US, you try and find a NTSC version of Hutchinson's Encyclopedia!

14 January 2017, 01:29	#20
earok Registered User Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Auckland Posts: 3,542	I presume we could simply replace the intro on the CDTV edition with the soundless one from the floppy disk version.. What I'm particularly interested in is why the game seems to be CD32 incompatible. It does not seem to have an issue playing on an A1200.

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