Flashtro releases Trainer for RESHOOT AGA incl. Autofire!

warfalcon · 27 October 2016, 22:52

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FLASHTRO Trainer for RESHOOT AGA inclusive autofire function!

Please, be aware: As long as there is no free download for this game provided by the author, the trainer archive contains the trainer files only and not the entire game. You need to be in possession of the complete game in order to use this trainer!

http://www.flashtro.com/index.php?e=page&id=4296

DamienD · 28 October 2016, 00:05

Cheers guys; have now successfully updated my .HDF (created from my purchase) with your trainer

buzzybee · 28 October 2016, 15:13

@warfalcon: Okay guys, I already told you elsewhere directly, but I think the topic is important enough to mention it twice and also on a more public platform: You changed software code which according to the copyright files included with RESHOOT must not be changed without permission from the author – which is me. You should have asked or at least had me notified personally before distributing such a file - which is illegal by the way.

But since I am aware that some people asked for a autofire option, so be it, as long as you only distribute the mainfile. But please remove the trainer option, since this spoils the fun for everyone and also stands in the way of my plans to open up a highscore website for RESHOOT-pilots pretty soon. Thank you.

warfalcon · 28 October 2016, 18:22

As written on Flashtro, we comply with your request to remove the invincibility function and alter the copyright notice accordingly. Cheers.

Amiga1992 · 28 October 2016, 18:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by warfalcon

As written on Flashtro, we comply with your request to remove the invincibility function and alter the copyright notice accordingly. Cheers.

This is not how the crack scene is supposed to work.

kriz · 28 October 2016, 22:41

Yeah fuck that, its a trainer damnit !! Be glad someone made it, it will make your game more known and actually be in the scene archives forever..

DaveMB · 28 October 2016, 23:06

delete

warfalcon · 28 October 2016, 23:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akira

This is not how the crack scene is supposed to work.

That is actually true. And the reaction by the author was surprising for the Flashtro team tbh, normally all game coders do appreciate a trainer for their games. However, this one did not. We do not want to direct Flashtro into any legal issues and instead of having to remove the files completely we are fine with the agreement of the author to have a castrated version of this trainer online legally. Also we do not want to demotivate any game authors who are still active in the amiga universe.

Overflow · 28 October 2016, 23:43

The online highscore table thingy can be entertaining, so I have no issue with Richards request.

I realise that there might be other trainers out there made just out of spite now, but I would hope you see how a trainer would degrade part of the game...?

buzzybee · 29 October 2016, 07:32

@warfalcon: Really appreciate you guys understand and even take care.

Quote:

Originally Posted by warfalcon

Also we do not want to demotivate any game authors who are still active in the amiga universe.

Exactly.

I like the scroller and music by the way, and hey – nice work on the trainer too. Will try to make your life a little bit harder next time.

ExiE · 29 October 2016, 09:29

The problem of this trainer is obvious. It is better than the game itself

kriz · 29 October 2016, 13:42

Hahaha !!!

dirkies · 29 October 2016, 15:05

it's fascinating how internet and forums like this made hackers more ethical, compared with the 80s/90s where we just copied and copied tons of hacked software without any regrets.

I agree with the position of not demotivating the few people left who still invest in the Miggy. But I do hope it will become freeware once the sales drop to zero, so those who do not want to spend 40€ on a game can still get it, albeit muc later than those who paid for it.
But asking to take down (part of) a trainer based on copyright is a bit overkill... just my 2c.

buzzybee · 31 October 2016, 03:51

Just a thought: Imagine I was an admin of this board and had the power to alter any postings at will. Would it be okay if I changed dirkies original text ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirkies

I agree with the position of not demotivating the few people left who still invest in the Miggy.

to:

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirkies

I agree with the position of demotivating the few people left who love the Miggy.

.. without asking or notyfing the author? No? Same applies for the code of my game. It´s not okay to alter it without asking or at least give notice, be it for copyright reasons or just simply because of respect. Just my two cents.

dirkies · 31 October 2016, 05:23

Apples & oranges...
Game trainers have been around since computer games. Initially with pokes in magazines, later fullblown intros with sometimes crazy amounts of trainer options, none asked for permission beforehand! And none destroyed the game as such, user is free to select what trainer to enable.
I still don't get what's SO upsetting you since no code of the game was distributed, or is a 1-disked or code-fixed release, and is clearly indicated as being done by someone else.
The existence of a trainer will not result in a loss of sales in this case, but rather the opposite.

hipoonios · 31 October 2016, 05:51

I liked trainers so much back in the days so I overwrite my originals with a trained versions

Perhaps I should put this in this thread instead: http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=50617

Cobe · 31 October 2016, 13:36

I think flashtro should update trainer and do it in c64 fashion - HiScore or Trainer.
So if trainer is enabled, the code at the end would not be shown.

Tigerskunk · 31 October 2016, 13:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cobe

I think flashtro should update trainer and do it in c64 fashion - HiScore or Trainer.
So if trainer is enabled, the code at the end would not be shown.

Interesting idea.

Predseda · 31 October 2016, 14:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cobe

I think flashtro should update trainer and do it in c64 fashion - HiScore or Trainer.
So if trainer is enabled, the code at the end would not be shown.

This should be already included in the game as a cheatmode, like for example in Turrican II was.

Amiga1992 · 31 October 2016, 18:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by warfalcon

We do not want to direct Flashtro into any legal issues and instead of having to remove the files completely we are fine with the agreement of the author to have a castrated version of this trainer online legally. Also we do not want to demotivate any game authors who are still active in the amiga universe.

Although I appreciate the altruism, maybe then you shouldn't do a "release" at all. As it is it feels pointless. The whole point of the Flashtro version was the trainer. Not having it means that we get... what exactly?

If you don't want to upset a developer, just don't make a release of their game.

I just think that if you are into the morals of this scene (which I am not criticizing) perhaps you are in the wrong "business".

27 October 2016, 22:52	#1
warfalcon Registered User Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: London Posts: 76	Flashtro releases Trainer for RESHOOT AGA incl. Autofire! [ Show youtube player ] FLASHTRO Trainer for RESHOOT AGA inclusive autofire function! Please, be aware: As long as there is no free download for this game provided by the author, the trainer archive contains the trainer files only and not the entire game. You need to be in possession of the complete game in order to use this trainer! http://www.flashtro.com/index.php?e=page&id=4296 Last edited by warfalcon; 28 October 2016 at 03:41.

28 October 2016, 23:06	#7
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28 October 2016, 00:05	#2
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 47 Posts: 20,420	Cheers guys; have now successfully updated my .HDF (created from my purchase) with your trainer

28 October 2016, 15:13	#3
buzzybee Registered User Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Landsberg / Germany Posts: 526	@warfalcon: Okay guys, I already told you elsewhere directly, but I think the topic is important enough to mention it twice and also on a more public platform: You changed software code which according to the copyright files included with RESHOOT must not be changed without permission from the author – which is me. You should have asked or at least had me notified personally before distributing such a file - which is illegal by the way. But since I am aware that some people asked for a autofire option, so be it, as long as you only distribute the mainfile. But please remove the trainer option, since this spoils the fun for everyone and also stands in the way of my plans to open up a highscore website for RESHOOT-pilots pretty soon. Thank you.

28 October 2016, 18:22	#4
warfalcon Registered User Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: London Posts: 76	As written on Flashtro, we comply with your request to remove the invincibility function and alter the copyright notice accordingly. Cheers.

28 October 2016, 22:41	#6
kriz Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: No(R)Way Age: 41 Posts: 3,185	Yeah fuck that, its a trainer damnit !! Be glad someone made it, it will make your game more known and actually be in the scene archives forever..

28 October 2016, 23:43	#9
Overflow Registered User Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Norway Posts: 387	The online highscore table thingy can be entertaining, so I have no issue with Richards request. I realise that there might be other trainers out there made just out of spite now, but I would hope you see how a trainer would degrade part of the game...?

29 October 2016, 09:29	#11
ExiE Registered User Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: T/C Posts: 199	The problem of this trainer is obvious. It is better than the game itself

29 October 2016, 13:42	#12
kriz Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: No(R)Way Age: 41 Posts: 3,185	Hahaha !!!

29 October 2016, 15:05	#13
dirkies Zone Friend Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Belgium Age: 51 Posts: 1,296	it's fascinating how internet and forums like this made hackers more ethical, compared with the 80s/90s where we just copied and copied tons of hacked software without any regrets. I agree with the position of not demotivating the few people left who still invest in the Miggy. But I do hope it will become freeware once the sales drop to zero, so those who do not want to spend 40€ on a game can still get it, albeit muc later than those who paid for it. But asking to take down (part of) a trainer based on copyright is a bit overkill... just my 2c.

31 October 2016, 05:23	#15
dirkies Zone Friend Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Belgium Age: 51 Posts: 1,296	Apples & oranges... Game trainers have been around since computer games. Initially with pokes in magazines, later fullblown intros with sometimes crazy amounts of trainer options, none asked for permission beforehand! And none destroyed the game as such, user is free to select what trainer to enable. I still don't get what's SO upsetting you since no code of the game was distributed, or is a 1-disked or code-fixed release, and is clearly indicated as being done by someone else. The existence of a trainer will not result in a loss of sales in this case, but rather the opposite.

31 October 2016, 05:51	#16
hipoonios Amiga Hardcore Gamer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Sweden Age: 46 Posts: 1,207	I liked trainers so much back in the days so I overwrite my originals with a trained versions Perhaps I should put this in this thread instead: http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=50617

31 October 2016, 13:36	#17
Cobe Registered User Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Belgrade / Serbia Age: 41 Posts: 999	I think flashtro should update trainer and do it in c64 fashion - HiScore or Trainer. So if trainer is enabled, the code at the end would not be shown.

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