Why can't we have a computer like Amiga? - Page 3

Thorham · 27 July 2015, 02:37

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Originally Posted by Mrs Beanbag

There is more than that, i'm sure... why a phone needs a quad core CPU i don't know...

Phones don't have them, smart phones have (relatively) powerful CPUs. Big difference. You can still buy non-smart phones. They allow you to make phone calls and send SMS messages (and maybe a calendar and Sudoku). Actual phones.

Smart phones should be seen as small, relatively powerful pocket computers with built-in phone functionality for people who want some computer and phone functionality in a small, highly portable device.

They're two different devices for people with different needs.

turrican3 · 27 July 2015, 02:42

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Originally Posted by Predseda

Why? There is just no demand for it.

I'm not sure of it, a ps4 version with a keyboard (all in one) like the amiga or the c64... With a bluray writer on the right side, why not ???
I'm sure it could work... Think about it, the exclusities of the ps4 but in the same time a computer !!! I said ps4 but you can read any others names.
The big problem is which OS ??
ps:Yes, perhaps there is no demand, but i'm sure if it was done they will have buyers. ;-)

Mrs Beanbag · 27 July 2015, 09:40

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Originally Posted by Thorham

Smart phones should be seen as small, relatively powerful pocket computers with built-in phone functionality for people who want some computer and phone functionality in a small, highly portable device.

Well they're not. They're seen as phones.

Thorham · 27 July 2015, 09:44

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Originally Posted by Mrs Beanbag

Well they're not. They're seen as phones.

You're missing the point

Mrs Beanbag · 27 July 2015, 10:04

Who cares about the point when you can be pedantic, eh?

Steve · 27 July 2015, 10:41

My computer architecture tutor on my University course went round the room asking everyone what they mainly used their computer for. My answer - making telephone calls. lol. I think he thought I meant Skype but I was just trying to be funny. I think it was lost on him a bit. Haha.

Thorham · 27 July 2015, 11:25

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Originally Posted by Mrs Beanbag

Who cares about the point when you can be pedantic, eh?

You asked:

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why a phone needs a quad core CPU i don't know

Is my answer wrong?

Mrs Beanbag · 27 July 2015, 11:33

there are phones with quad core CPUs. "smart phones" is a proper subset of "phones". i don't see the point in arguing about this.

jezry · 27 July 2015, 11:40

I agree with turrican a console style all in one machine would be a good idea. If Acube or A-eon where to build it like that in a price range like the consoles out now i think they would sell alot more ng amigas. Hell even my wife would have thought it was fun to have an console like that.

Mrs Beanbag · 27 July 2015, 11:45

yes, me too. look at how much money Ouya managed to raise on kickstarter.

the direction i had in mind is something like a cross between a console and a HTPC.

jezry · 27 July 2015, 11:53

I would have bought something like that. But not for the insane prices that the x1000 is selling for

Thats more than my car is worth.

Thorham · 27 July 2015, 12:11

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Originally Posted by Mrs Beanbag

there are phones with quad core CPUs. "smart phones" is a proper subset of "phones". i don't see the point in arguing about this.

I'm not arguing about anything. I only tried to explain why some phones have quad core CPUs

Mrs Beanbag · 27 July 2015, 12:21

i don't even have a quad core CPU in my desktop PC!

Thorham · 27 July 2015, 12:21

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Originally Posted by Mrs Beanbag

i don't even have a quad core CPU in my desktop PC!

Me neither

meynaf · 27 July 2015, 12:24

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why a phone needs a quad core CPU i don't know

It's because they're running bloatwares, just like peecees. App programmers are lazy and the platform isn't exactly fun to code on.
Or it could be because silicon manufacturers have space to waste in their chips

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Originally Posted by Mrs Beanbag

i don't even have a quad core CPU in my desktop PC!

And i bet you don't see much of a difference, huh ?

Mrs Beanbag · 27 July 2015, 12:34

well they generally run something like Java Virtual Machine, which speeds development i guess, but i gathered dual core CPUs in phones don't give that much advantage, they have to throttle back so much because of the thermals, or something.

I built this PC like 7 years ago, and it was fairly low-spec even then. It's still fine for general every day usage, although some websites now have so much javascript it slows everything to a crawl, and i get like 1fps when scrolling. Well i have some idea why, it's so they can dynamically resize for mobile phone screens. And you get pages with thumbnails, but they're actually huge images just shrank down in the HTML.

Thorham · 27 July 2015, 12:37

Still crazy, though. Everything is so inefficient.

meynaf · 27 July 2015, 12:44

This is why us coders stick on our miggies as long as we can, there we can do efficient things

Mrs Beanbag · 27 July 2015, 12:47

silicon is cheaper than good developers. and you can predict the behaviour of silicon. IT recruitment is HARD. You can never know how good someone is before employing them.

Thorham · 27 July 2015, 13:40

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Originally Posted by meynaf

This is why us coders stick on our miggies as long as we can, there we can do efficient things

It's also just plain fun (no nostalgia). Not that programming on the peecee can't be fun, but that's a different story.

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Originally Posted by Mrs Beanbag

silicon is cheaper than good developers.

Indeed.

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27 July 2015, 10:04	#45
Mrs Beanbag Glastonbridge Software Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Edinburgh/Scotland Posts: 2,243	Who cares about the point when you can be pedantic, eh?

27 July 2015, 10:41	#46
Steve I Identify as an Ewok Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: North Lincolnshire Age: 45 Posts: 2,356	My computer architecture tutor on my University course went round the room asking everyone what they mainly used their computer for. My answer - making telephone calls. lol. I think he thought I meant Skype but I was just trying to be funny. I think it was lost on him a bit. Haha.

27 July 2015, 11:33	#48
Mrs Beanbag Glastonbridge Software Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Edinburgh/Scotland Posts: 2,243	there are phones with quad core CPUs. "smart phones" is a proper subset of "phones". i don't see the point in arguing about this.

27 July 2015, 11:40	#49
jezry Registered User Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Sweden Posts: 53	I agree with turrican a console style all in one machine would be a good idea. If Acube or A-eon where to build it like that in a price range like the consoles out now i think they would sell alot more ng amigas. Hell even my wife would have thought it was fun to have an console like that.

27 July 2015, 11:45	#50
Mrs Beanbag Glastonbridge Software Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Edinburgh/Scotland Posts: 2,243	yes, me too. look at how much money Ouya managed to raise on kickstarter. the direction i had in mind is something like a cross between a console and a HTPC.

27 July 2015, 11:53	#51
jezry Registered User Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Sweden Posts: 53	I would have bought something like that. But not for the insane prices that the x1000 is selling for Thats more than my car is worth.

27 July 2015, 12:21	#53
Mrs Beanbag Glastonbridge Software Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Edinburgh/Scotland Posts: 2,243	i don't even have a quad core CPU in my desktop PC!

27 July 2015, 12:34	#56
Mrs Beanbag Glastonbridge Software Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Edinburgh/Scotland Posts: 2,243	well they generally run something like Java Virtual Machine, which speeds development i guess, but i gathered dual core CPUs in phones don't give that much advantage, they have to throttle back so much because of the thermals, or something. I built this PC like 7 years ago, and it was fairly low-spec even then. It's still fine for general every day usage, although some websites now have so much javascript it slows everything to a crawl, and i get like 1fps when scrolling. Well i have some idea why, it's so they can dynamically resize for mobile phone screens. And you get pages with thumbnails, but they're actually huge images just shrank down in the HTML.

27 July 2015, 12:37	#57
Thorham Computer Nerd Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Rotterdam/Netherlands Age: 47 Posts: 3,751	Still crazy, though. Everything is so inefficient.

27 July 2015, 12:44	#58
meynaf son of 68k Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Lyon / France Age: 51 Posts: 5,323	This is why us coders stick on our miggies as long as we can, there we can do efficient things

27 July 2015, 12:47	#59
Mrs Beanbag Glastonbridge Software Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Edinburgh/Scotland Posts: 2,243	silicon is cheaper than good developers. and you can predict the behaviour of silicon. IT recruitment is HARD. You can never know how good someone is before employing them.

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