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Pal only 4 19.05%
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Old 29 June 2019, 19:50   #1
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Is your tv/monitor pal, ntsc or both?

I guess this question is irrelevant for emulator users but it would be nice to have your votes too for overall picture.
And i guess the only ones stuck to pal or ntsc only are the ones using some of older tvs.
So how many of you are out there?
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Old 29 June 2019, 20:05   #2
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I use my Amiga over RGB on a Samsung SyncMaster T220HD which supports both PAL and NTSC.

When over VGA(Acer K242HYL) it's usually PAL only, but to be fair I've never tried it in NTSC so can't confirm.
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Old 29 June 2019, 20:09   #3
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Both. But i use it via RGB mostly. So it's not that important for me to have it both fully since my 2002 Sony TV accept 625/50 and 525/60 via RGB anyway.
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Old 29 June 2019, 20:16   #4
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I've never had a NTSC only machine but anything I try in NTSC or PAL60 works except very old TVs that display in Black and White.

So probably every TV since about 1995 works.
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Old 29 June 2019, 20:16   #5
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I suppose my Sony 36" TV 20 years ago did support both.
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Old 29 June 2019, 22:40   #6
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My 21" Sharp and 25" Panasonic CRT TV's do both and so does my Philips 8833-2.
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Old 29 June 2019, 22:51   #7
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All my displays do 50 and 60Hz over RGB. It's a long time since I've had to use composite or have had a native NTSC Amiga, so I can't be fully sure the displays support NTSC colour encoding. But supporting the framerate is pretty common.
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Old 30 June 2019, 00:32   #8
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Seems like a lot of people in this thread don't understand the difference between PAL/NTSC and 50/60hz.

PAL and NTSC are colour encoding systems. PAL can be 60hz, NTSC can be 50hz. The colour encoding system does not necessarily indicate the vertical refresh rate.

The Amiga incorrectly refers to 50hz as PAL and 60hz as NTSC, regardless of which colour encoding system is actually used. When you select NTSC on your PAL Amiga, it's still outputting in PAL, it's just at 60hz instead of 50hz.
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Old 30 June 2019, 01:11   #9
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And once again you obviously haven't read the thread carefully enough. RGB is NOT PAL or NTSC. So it doesn't matter because most TVs since the mid 90s can output 50Hz/60Hz software correctly anyway via RGB. No matter if it's original PAL or NTSC stuff.

Or put it in simpler words: If you go the RGB way, the color encoding system is irrelevant as long as the TV specification supports 625 lines PAL/50 and 525 lines NTSC/60 (which is pretty common for European TVs since the mid 90s).

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I never said RGB was PAL or NTSC. I was trying to point out that the Amiga wrongly calls 50hz PAL and 60hz NTSC, regardless if the output is PAL, NTSC, or even RGB.

Seems like it's you who hasn't read properly.
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Can't see the point you wanted to make in context of the comments so far. If you meant a specific post, then quote it properly. We don't have crystal balls (only Toni has one).
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Old 30 June 2019, 06:31   #12
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When you select NTSC on your PAL Amiga, it's still outputting in PAL, it's just at 60hz instead of 50hz.
If it has a composite modulator then it will still try to produce PAL color - but it will be a non-standard hybrid of PAL color combined with NTSC refresh rates (commonly called "PAL60").

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The Amiga incorrectly refers to 50hz as PAL and 60hz as NTSC, regardless of which colour encoding system is actually used.
When the Amiga was designed NTSC and PAL referred not only to the color encoding but also the refresh rates, and apart from a few exotic hybrids like PAL-M and PAL60 that is still true today. Therefore it's not wrong to say that a 50Hz Amiga is 'PAL', and 60Hz is 'NTSC'.

If your Amiga doesn't have a composite modulator then switching the chipset mode does indeed change it from 'PAL' or 'NTSC', but you must use an appropriate external modulator to get composite color. If it has a modulator built in then it would have to be modified to produce an NTSC color signal. However many modern TVs can handle PAL60, so you may not need to do anything.
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So it doesn't matter because most TVs since the mid 90s can output 50Hz/60Hz software correctly anyway via RGB.
If only that were true.

Outside Europe most modern TVs only have HDMI inputs now, and sets with RGB inputs are virtually non-existent. My TV has component inputs, but they are useless because it only accepts 480i, so I am stuck with composite.
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Old 30 June 2019, 11:50   #14
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I guess this question is irrelevant for emulator users ...
I'd say its relevant in the sense that if you have adaptive sync and can match 50 hz / 100hz for smooth scrolling and prefer PAL version...

I'm always looking for the next good IPS screen, esp with all the sweet up scaling options like OSSC, you can run both original hardware and emulation.

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If only that were true.

Outside Europe most modern TVs only have HDMI inputs now, and sets with RGB inputs are virtually non-existent. My TV has component inputs, but they are useless because it only accepts 480i, so I am stuck with composite.

It's the same for us in Europe, HDMI only. But i meant of course CRT TVs. Not a chance that i use a modern flat TV for my Amiga.
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