ActiveX plugins - Harass Microsoft

RCK · 30 September 2001, 16:11

Here is one copy of the post from "mrpectate" on the Modplug forum about the lack of support of non-activeX plugin in ie5.5 sp2 & ie6.

Quote:

If you would like to see MS bring back support for the excellent MOD plugin, then just take a moment to tell them (nicely) that you would like what has been given to you returned! Why should Olivier have to correct Microsoft's mistake?

To make it easy, here is the direct URL for the Internet Explorer feedback form: Complain Here!

1) Choose "Internet Explorer" from the "My suggestion is for this product:" pulldown menu.

2) Check the box in front of: "Interoperability or Integration"

3) Tell it like it is ( lack of support about non-activeX plugins ) in the "Describe what you would like to accomplish or the limitation you have found in the product" space!

Come on! Let 'em have it!

RCK · 30 September 2001, 20:20

The fact is that 85% of us are using IE.

here is one part of the abime.net stats for the month of september 2k1... (and more than 1000 pple / days visit us)

Code:

 Internet Explorer   86.2 %
 Other   8.8 %  
 Netscape   4.0 %  
 Opera   0.9 %

If the plugin(s) for reading mods under IE do not work anymore, should I simply remove the Mods-Jukebox ? :suspiciou
and force people to use Netscape in order they could use non-activeX plugin is not one solution.

Microsoft have the monopol and I hate that, they are doing what they want with us, another exemple: don't you know that WindowsXP won't support Java ?

RCK · 30 September 2001, 22:38

Quote:

Originally posted by s4murai
No, why?

'cause, in a short time, 80% of us won't be able to listen to the mods, due to MS choice.

Quote:

You just said it yourself, microsoft do whatever they want with us, so that's why we should start using 'alternatives'.

Yeah of course, computer lovers will use those alternative, but not everybody.

Twistin'Ghost · 30 September 2001, 23:55

Well, I am with S4murai on this...minority that we are (which any Amiga user should be accustomed to). As a long-time Amiga user, I have been dealing with this crap from the PC world from day one. I never could understand why the masses stuck by the inferior model and to this day, I still don't understand it. A decade ago, I was scoffed at for using the Amiga instead of 'joining the pack' and becoming an 'IBM user'. A decade later, the 'masses' all swear by IE despite it being a poorer product and having to deal with the shit Microsoft put you through. But like in the early 90's, users will make excuses and adjust their computing lifestyle to whatever Microsoft tells them before they will break their chains with M$ (always stick by the most popular if you want to fit in, oh yes!)

Ironically, last night I began my IE Shit List of reasons why it is inferior to Netscape. I doubt it will ever get posted on this forum since people get so emotionally offended by hearing what I have to say. And on the same plane as PC users used to get when I'd go on BBS's and layout the advantages of the Amiga over the 486. It blew my mind back then that anyone could defend a 486 (the top of the line PC model at the time) over the top of the line A3000 (back then). And I am not even using a current version of Netscape, yet it still kicks IE's dick in the dirt.

And I use both browsers every single day (except my two days off each week), which I daresay none of the 86.2% IE users on here can claim.

Yes, the mod jukebox will have to go away, but this is typical of what to expect when you deal with supporting the M$ global model. It's one of the reasons I don't use IE, because by them dominating the browser market, they have the right to do this. M$ have chosen to be irresponsible with power so many times that I wouldn't use IE even if it did perform better than its competition. One cannot leave ethics out of the equation. If you do, you get exactly what is happening now. Abuse of power.

Apologies for getting on my high horse here, but at least I didn't post my IE Shit List...

Amiga1992 · 01 October 2001, 01:54

NO the mod jukebox must NOT GO AWAY!

. Why do we have to bend over to Microsoft and let this cool feature be removed just because they are fuckwits?

I hate the Microsoft/Intel mindfuck.

Fred the Fop · 01 October 2001, 07:57

Yeah, well, I just Downloaded Opera for my PC (IE on my Mac is really super, to be honest). Anyway, although it claims to be fast, this Opera, it is not, and definitely feels beta-like. But When I upgrade to XP next month, I'll say BYE BYE IE and anything else that is good will be installed. As youse know, IE is removeable from XP. Oh yeah, since M$ hates Sun, you have to download Java for XP, another M$ mindfuck

MethodGit · 01 October 2001, 14:23

What if the altercations made by Micro$oft to IE were decided through a public voting poll? Maybe there were (insane) people out there who demanded that plugins be removed and other pointless shit. If this is true, then they are the biggest mindfucks around.

My guess as to why IE is extremely popular is probably because Micro$oft heavily advertised their products (and Windows in general) around the world whereas Netscape, Opera, Mozilla and countless other web browsers did not do any promotion. This most likely means that people will only consider touching anything in life if it's heavily hyped. Fuckwits.

Fred the Fop · 01 October 2001, 19:04

S4amurai, I just think I will try opera and mozilla on Xp..Opera might be better or work better on it. i was at my buddy's house Sunday, and he has Xp..it really looks, feels and works better than any M$ OS ever. Ok..thats not saying much

What about NeoPlanet..i know it piggybacks on IE's mozilla engine...did you try it? Is it able to do things IE can't\won't??

Amiga1992 · 01 October 2001, 20:17

Quote:

Originally posted by MarzAttakz
What if the altercations made by Micro$oft to IE were decided through a public voting poll?

BWAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA yeah, Microsoft being democratic! BWHAHAHA what a good joke.

Fred the Fop · 02 October 2001, 01:03

Well, the download manager on NeoPlanet is very nice indeed, something M$ misses out on...though on my iBook, the Mac version of IE has had a nifty download manager for YEARS.

02 October 2001, 01:05

Amigaboy boots up Lynx

ah! That's the candy that I like!

7-Zark-7 · 02 October 2001, 08:24

I'm no programmer, so most this Active X & Java stuff is well out my depth to talk about, but I did have one thought...
With all this debate over different browser's for the forthcoming XP-do you honestly expect all these different ones' are going to necessarily be improved on XP??

After all, just because MS might've been forced to allow other browser's onto the OS, I wouldn't think they will do anyone any of them any favours?

After all if MS were content to just sit on their laurels why did they enter gaming console market with the X-box?

I'm sure the thought that Sony would be making million's of sales with a potential broadband accessing multimedia machine with a NON-MS operating system never crossed their minds!!

Twistin'Ghost · 02 October 2001, 09:14

This is true. It's always been a part of M$ strategy to have the competitor's product perform poorly. If it doesn't, their stronghold on the OS practically guarantees their capability to make that a reality. During the old Netscape vs IE wars when the two were neck to neck, ex-employees of M$ claimed certain procedures were taken to make certain products functioned poorly under the OS. It was dismissed since this revealed info broke non-disclosure agreements signed by the ex-employee. And even knowing this, nobody really seemed to much give a shit that their 'preference' of the competing M$ brand was via sabotage of the competition. I just cannot reward that mentality with my support...

Twistin'Ghost · 03 October 2001, 04:36

OK, I will share another brilliant concept from the mind$et of the upper echelon...

Microsoft looks at new ideas, they don't evaluate whether the idea will move the industry forward, they ask, "how will it help us sell more copies of Windows?" --Bill Gates in The Seattle Weekly, April 30, 1998

Removed: Gates Dollar

03 October 2001, 04:54

And that's why Bill Gates is my hero

MethodGit · 03 October 2001, 16:54

Jesus, are Micro$oft *really* this fucked up?

LaundroMat · 04 October 2001, 14:05

I noticed only recently that when entering an incorrect URL, I'm immediately transferred to the MSN search pages, with some lame statement that the URL I was looking for was unavailable, and whether I'd like to try to find what I was looking for through their search-engine.

"Oops. Google's getting too large a market-share, let's steal the dumb users away from them".

I hate their business practices. :disgusted Thoroughly.

Twistin'Ghost · 04 October 2001, 15:13

Yeah, I've been noticing that lately too (in IE at work). Every day I use that program, I am amazed at what crap it is. Have you seen the text on BTTR? It looks all messed up. Like the fonts are rescaled or something....

04 October 2001, 16:45

Quote:

I noticed only recently that when entering an incorrect URL, I'm immediately transferred to the MSN search pages, with some lame statement that the URL I was looking for was unavailable, and whether I'd like to try to find what I was looking for through their search-engine.

OMG! I thought it was just happening with me!

Amiga1992 · 04 October 2001, 19:12

I think you can disable that shit if you tell IE not to autosearch when it fails. I have disabled it at work.

View Poll Results: Are you using some non-activeX plugins ?
Yes ! (Modplug / Sidplug...)	10	76.92%
No.	2	15.38%
maybe one day...	1	7.69%
Voters: 13. You may not vote on this poll

30 September 2001, 20:20	#2
RCK Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Paris / France Age: 45 Posts: 3,091	The fact is that 85% of us are using IE. here is one part of the abime.net stats for the month of september 2k1... (and more than 1000 pple / days visit us) Code: Internet Explorer 86.2 % Other 8.8 % Netscape 4.0 % Opera 0.9 % If the plugin(s) for reading mods under IE do not work anymore, should I simply remove the Mods-Jukebox ? :suspiciou and force people to use Netscape in order they could use non-activeX plugin is not one solution. Microsoft have the monopol and I hate that, they are doing what they want with us, another exemple: don't you know that WindowsXP won't support Java ?

01 October 2001, 14:23	#7
MethodGit Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The Streets Age: 39 Posts: 2,731	Wait a moment! What if the altercations made by Micro$oft to IE were decided through a public voting poll? Maybe there were (insane) people out there who demanded that plugins be removed and other pointless shit. If this is true, then they are the biggest mindfucks around. My guess as to why IE is extremely popular is probably because Micro$oft heavily advertised their products (and Windows in general) around the world whereas Netscape, Opera, Mozilla and countless other web browsers did not do any promotion. This most likely means that people will only consider touching anything in life if it's heavily hyped. Fuckwits.

03 October 2001, 04:36	#14
Twistin'Ghost Give up the ghost Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: U$A Age: 33 Posts: 4,662	OK, I will share another brilliant concept from the mind$et of the upper echelon... Microsoft looks at new ideas, they don't evaluate whether the idea will move the industry forward, they ask, "how will it help us sell more copies of Windows?" --Bill Gates in The Seattle Weekly, April 30, 1998 Removed: Gates Dollar Last edited by Ian; 01 December 2001 at 00:20.

04 October 2001, 14:05	#17
LaundroMat Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: In the cellar. With your mum. Age: 49 Posts: 404	Ofcourse they are I noticed only recently that when entering an incorrect URL, I'm immediately transferred to the MSN search pages, with some lame statement that the URL I was looking for was unavailable, and whether I'd like to try to find what I was looking for through their search-engine. "Oops. Google's getting too large a market-share, let's steal the dumb users away from them". I hate their business practices. :disgusted Thoroughly.

30 September 2001, 23:55	#4
Twistin'Ghost Give up the ghost Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: U$A Age: 33 Posts: 4,662	Well, I am with S4murai on this...minority that we are (which any Amiga user should be accustomed to). As a long-time Amiga user, I have been dealing with this crap from the PC world from day one. I never could understand why the masses stuck by the inferior model and to this day, I still don't understand it. A decade ago, I was scoffed at for using the Amiga instead of 'joining the pack' and becoming an 'IBM user'. A decade later, the 'masses' all swear by IE despite it being a poorer product and having to deal with the shit Microsoft put you through. But like in the early 90's, users will make excuses and adjust their computing lifestyle to whatever Microsoft tells them before they will break their chains with M$ (always stick by the most popular if you want to fit in, oh yes!) Ironically, last night I began my IE Shit List of reasons why it is inferior to Netscape. I doubt it will ever get posted on this forum since people get so emotionally offended by hearing what I have to say. And on the same plane as PC users used to get when I'd go on BBS's and layout the advantages of the Amiga over the 486. It blew my mind back then that anyone could defend a 486 (the top of the line PC model at the time) over the top of the line A3000 (back then). And I am not even using a current version of Netscape, yet it still kicks IE's dick in the dirt. And I use both browsers every single day (except my two days off each week), which I daresay none of the 86.2% IE users on here can claim. Yes, the mod jukebox will have to go away, but this is typical of what to expect when you deal with supporting the M$ global model. It's one of the reasons I don't use IE, because by them dominating the browser market, they have the right to do this. M$ have chosen to be irresponsible with power so many times that I wouldn't use IE even if it did perform better than its competition. One cannot leave ethics out of the equation. If you do, you get exactly what is happening now. Abuse of power. Apologies for getting on my high horse here, but at least I didn't post my IE Shit List...

01 October 2001, 01:54	#5
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,645	NO the mod jukebox must NOT GO AWAY! . Why do we have to bend over to Microsoft and let this cool feature be removed just because they are fuckwits? I hate the Microsoft/Intel mindfuck.

01 October 2001, 07:57	#6
Fred the Fop flaming faggot Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Versailles Age: 55 Posts: 2,808	Yeah, well, I just Downloaded Opera for my PC (IE on my Mac is really super, to be honest). Anyway, although it claims to be fast, this Opera, it is not, and definitely feels beta-like. But When I upgrade to XP next month, I'll say BYE BYE IE and anything else that is good will be installed. As youse know, IE is removeable from XP. Oh yeah, since M$ hates Sun, you have to download Java for XP, another M$ mindfuck

01 October 2001, 19:04	#8
Fred the Fop flaming faggot Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Versailles Age: 55 Posts: 2,808	S4amurai, I just think I will try opera and mozilla on Xp..Opera might be better or work better on it. i was at my buddy's house Sunday, and he has Xp..it really looks, feels and works better than any M$ OS ever. Ok..thats not saying much What about NeoPlanet..i know it piggybacks on IE's mozilla engine...did you try it? Is it able to do things IE can't\won't??

02 October 2001, 01:03	#10
Fred the Fop flaming faggot Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Versailles Age: 55 Posts: 2,808	Well, the download manager on NeoPlanet is very nice indeed, something M$ misses out on...though on my iBook, the Mac version of IE has had a nifty download manager for YEARS.

02 October 2001, 01:05	#11
Amigaboy Posts: n/a	Amigaboy boots up Lynx ah! That's the candy that I like!

02 October 2001, 08:24	#12
7-Zark-7 Zone Friend Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Brisbane/Australia Posts: 1,270	I'm no programmer, so most this Active X & Java stuff is well out my depth to talk about, but I did have one thought... With all this debate over different browser's for the forthcoming XP-do you honestly expect all these different ones' are going to necessarily be improved on XP?? After all, just because MS might've been forced to allow other browser's onto the OS, I wouldn't think they will do anyone any of them any favours? After all if MS were content to just sit on their laurels why did they enter gaming console market with the X-box? I'm sure the thought that Sony would be making million's of sales with a potential broadband accessing multimedia machine with a NON-MS operating system never crossed their minds!!

02 October 2001, 09:14	#13
Twistin'Ghost Give up the ghost Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: U$A Age: 33 Posts: 4,662	This is true. It's always been a part of M$ strategy to have the competitor's product perform poorly. If it doesn't, their stronghold on the OS practically guarantees their capability to make that a reality. During the old Netscape vs IE wars when the two were neck to neck, ex-employees of M$ claimed certain procedures were taken to make certain products functioned poorly under the OS. It was dismissed since this revealed info broke non-disclosure agreements signed by the ex-employee. And even knowing this, nobody really seemed to much give a shit that their 'preference' of the competing M$ brand was via sabotage of the competition. I just cannot reward that mentality with my support...

03 October 2001, 04:54	#15
Amigaboy Posts: n/a	And that's why Bill Gates is my hero

03 October 2001, 16:54	#16
MethodGit Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The Streets Age: 39 Posts: 2,731	Jesus, are Micro$oft really this fucked up?

04 October 2001, 15:13	#18
Twistin'Ghost Give up the ghost Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: U$A Age: 33 Posts: 4,662	Yeah, I've been noticing that lately too (in IE at work). Every day I use that program, I am amazed at what crap it is. Have you seen the text on BTTR? It looks all messed up. Like the fonts are rescaled or something....

04 October 2001, 19:12	#20
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,645	I think you can disable that shit if you tell IE not to autosearch when it fails. I have disabled it at work.

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