Apidya - Inaccessible bonus stage (Speed of Light) FOUND! - Page 4

Graham Humphrey · 21 February 2008, 00:02

Not as much as yours, evidently

girv · 21 February 2008, 00:04

I have a new EAB competition: Spot The Bug !

Graham Humphrey · 21 February 2008, 00:09

The winner is either the first one to actually make sense of that mess, or the last one to lose the will to live

Retroplay · 21 February 2008, 00:29

In my case It'll be the latter.

girv · 21 February 2008, 00:52

I need someone to check this: go to the point on level 4 indicated on the attached screenshot. Make sure that (a) you're not using the WHDLoad invulnerability trainer and (b) you're not in the game's own "flashing invulnerable" mode when you hit that spot. If I'm right, the Speed Of Light subgame should start.

It looks like the game isn't bugged after all, apart from not being able to enter the subgame while "flashing invulnerable" (or using the invulnerability trainer)

It might be that the subgame has just remained very, very well hidden until now!

It's like I always say: "Life would be so much simpler if I had the source code"

girv · 21 February 2008, 02:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Graham Humphrey

The winner is either the first one to actually make sense of that mess, or the last one to lose the will to live

I win then, on both counts

killergorilla · 21 February 2008, 02:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retroplay

There's a total of 5 bonus levels right?
1. After blasting the caterpillar away and collecting the fat little angel at level 1.
2. After killing the mole you fly into the hill.
3. Inside the mouth of the big fish boss at level 2.
4. Inside the dead rat after you have killed the maggots.
5. The newly discovered Speed of Light stage.

My RAD drive and WinUAE is itching to record this.
I just want to be certain about all the bonus levels.

No there are 6.

You're missing one on level 2-2

It explains in more detail here.

http://www.avians.net/~hawthorn/apidya/bonus.html

It's essentially the same as the mole hill one.

TO GIRV...

Really? I did try that exact position before but I used a different adf with invulnerability on...

Come to think of it I did have to turn off the invulnerability to access the subgame in level 2-2, maybe you'd like to check the code at that point to see if it's similar?

girv · 21 February 2008, 08:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by killergorilla

Really? I did try that exact position before but I used a different adf with invulnerability on...

Come to think of it I did have to turn off the invulnerability to access the subgame in level 2-2, maybe you'd like to check the code at that point to see if it's similar?

It's very possible the ADF you used and my WHDLoad trainer patch the same piece of code in the same way to do the invulnerability. The same routine in each level does all the player vs. xxx collision detection, including vs. regular scenery and including checking for subgame "module" entry points. Easiest way to get invulnerability would be to make this routine return without doing anything, with the side effect of disabling entry to scenery-triggered subgames such as 2-2 and 4-2. The other subgames could be boss-triggered, and bosses have their own separate collision detection code.

I'd also hazard a guess that you can't enter the 2-2 subgame if you are "flashing invulnerable". I need to research a patch for this bug and for a proper invulnerability trainer that still allows entry to the 2-2 and 4-2 subgames.

So you need to get back to level 4 and try again without invulnerability on

killergorilla · 21 February 2008, 11:09

I'll give it a go later mate

I'll use the adf again because you can turn it off on the fly.

I normally hate adfs by the way, WHD for the win!

NLS · 21 February 2008, 17:44

ok WOW people

andreas · 21 February 2008, 18:23

The forum choice seems a bit odd

girv · 22 February 2008, 00:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by andreas

The forum choice seems a bit odd

Blame KG for that

Retro-Nerd · 22 February 2008, 00:39

What's going on here girv? No new Apidya levels since Saturday.

girv · 22 February 2008, 00:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

What's going on here girv? No new Apidya levels since saturday.

Just wait another 16 years, my friend

killergorilla · 22 February 2008, 11:36

Sorry girv, I did have a quick go last night but the level skip cheat on the adf is crap.

if you skip a level it only lets you play stage 1 of each world then thinks you completed that world.

So I skipped to level 4-1, completed it, then it took me to world 5! STOOPID!

girv · 22 February 2008, 15:51

I've got such a better level skipper than that

killergorilla · 22 February 2008, 15:58

Hell yeah!

I won't get a chance to play it this weekend so if nobody else has tried it, I'll give it a go on monday.

Retroplay · 22 February 2008, 18:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by killergorilla

No there are 6.

You're missing one on level 2-2

Longplay is finished with all 6 bonus levels.

girv · 22 February 2008, 20:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retroplay

Longplay is finished with all 6 bonus levels.

So where is it!?

Retroplay · 22 February 2008, 20:11

Hipoonius needs to add it at RAG first.

Should be up in an hour or so.

21 February 2008, 00:52	#65
girv Mostly Harmless Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 1,109	I need someone to check this: go to the point on level 4 indicated on the attached screenshot. Make sure that (a) you're not using the WHDLoad invulnerability trainer and (b) you're not in the game's own "flashing invulnerable" mode when you hit that spot. If I'm right, the Speed Of Light subgame should start. It looks like the game isn't bugged after all, apart from not being able to enter the subgame while "flashing invulnerable" (or using the invulnerability trainer) It might be that the subgame has just remained very, very well hidden until now! It's like I always say: "Life would be so much simpler if I had the source code" Attached Thumbnails

22 February 2008, 00:39	#73
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,435	What's going on here girv? No new Apidya levels since Saturday. Last edited by Retro-Nerd; 22 February 2008 at 00:46.

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21 February 2008, 00:02	#61
Graham Humphrey Moderator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Norwich, Norfolk, UK Age: 37 Posts: 11,167	Not as much as yours, evidently

21 February 2008, 00:04	#62
girv Mostly Harmless Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 1,109	I have a new EAB competition: Spot The Bug !

21 February 2008, 00:09	#63
Graham Humphrey Moderator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Norwich, Norfolk, UK Age: 37 Posts: 11,167	The winner is either the first one to actually make sense of that mess, or the last one to lose the will to live

21 February 2008, 00:29	#64
Retroplay Lemon Curry ? Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Denmark Age: 49 Posts: 4,079	In my case It'll be the latter.

21 February 2008, 11:09	#69
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 42 Posts: 7,957	I'll give it a go later mate I'll use the adf again because you can turn it off on the fly. I normally hate adfs by the way, WHD for the win!

21 February 2008, 17:44	#70
NLS Ancient User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: GREECE Age: 50 Posts: 757	ok WOW people

21 February 2008, 18:23	#71
andreas Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Germany Age: 50 Posts: 5,857	The forum choice seems a bit odd

22 February 2008, 11:36	#75
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 42 Posts: 7,957	Sorry girv, I did have a quick go last night but the level skip cheat on the adf is crap. if you skip a level it only lets you play stage 1 of each world then thinks you completed that world. So I skipped to level 4-1, completed it, then it took me to world 5! STOOPID!

22 February 2008, 15:51	#76
girv Mostly Harmless Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 1,109	I've got such a better level skipper than that

22 February 2008, 15:58	#77
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 42 Posts: 7,957	Hell yeah! I won't get a chance to play it this weekend so if nobody else has tried it, I'll give it a go on monday.

22 February 2008, 20:11	#80
Retroplay Lemon Curry ? Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Denmark Age: 49 Posts: 4,079	Hipoonius needs to add it at RAG first. Should be up in an hour or so.

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