Siamese system - Page 2

alexh · 13 February 2006, 07:16

There were no PCI bus boards in 1996/7, just expensive zorro cards like the Picasso and Cybervisions, plus the Bvision/Cvision. Siamese added RTG to Amiga's with just an ethernet card and software.

The quoted performance is 500x that of AGA, but I dunno if that is true.

Yes it redirects gfx through a LAN, SCSI network or serial.

_ThEcRoW · 13 February 2006, 20:18

If it's legal, i have no problem in zoneing it. Anyone knows anything about it?

keropi · 13 February 2006, 22:44

bah, I think it is somewhat useless... no xp/2000 comp... and I bet it is tricky too, lol
it is only usefull for curiosity reasons I think...

adolescent · 14 February 2006, 07:44

The ISA switcher card might not work with 2000/XP but the 2.5 software does. Also, I have not seen any problems with 3.5/3.9. Although, I don't use the RTG functionality much.

utri007 · 14 February 2006, 09:01

Zone it Please

WHDload games doesn't work in my machine, but all originals work and cd32 emulator etc.

I disagree about that RTG games are rubbish

I've Win XP so it woun't probably work but I want to check it out

utri007 · 16 February 2006, 13:40

anyone?

alexh · 16 February 2006, 14:11

I think the concensus is that this product can still be bought commercially at SoftHut.

utri007 · 17 February 2006, 07:59

Well moust of amiga software is still cormercially availlable somewhere. Check this list http://www.gentle-eye.fi/pelit.html all games are new NOT second hand.

I think that if program is still availlable somewhere its not mean anything ellse that one collector will buy it to his/her collection.

Main point is what is abandonware??????

Can or cannot still bought comercially? as I said allmoust every game/app is still comercially availlable somewhere.
Who decides what is abandonware, me? you? who?
Is it still supported.
How new it is.

Ifusion is on the Zone and it is still comercially availlable in softhut and it is still supported by maker

_ThEcRoW · 10 March 2006, 11:28

It works on xp without problem.

_ThEcRoW · 11 March 2006, 17:31

So any mod here can tell me if it is correct to upload it to the zone?. I don't want to break any board rules.

alexh · 13 March 2006, 16:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by utri007

Main point is what is abandonware??????

Ideally abandonware webmasters get permission to host the games / programs from the copyright holder. Or prove that the material has been previously released public domain.

I am a realist and I know that isnt always possible. Companies get bought and sold, go into liquidation and finding the copyright holder can be difficult if not impossible. Most Abandonware webmasters take a chance that the copyright holder either:

Doesnt care.
Doesnt know they are the copyright holder. (This happens a lot with big companies)
For whatever reasons never finds out. (The web is a big place!)
Cannot afford to sue for damages and will be satisfied with the material just being removed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by utri007

Who decides what is abandonware, me? you? who?

The copyright holders.

There are some copyright expiry situations, however the "50 years" minimum copyright terms mean that any Amiga software in dispute has a few years to go

alewis · 06 September 2006, 21:05

have asked paul who holds copyright, and if it is him - as opposed to Steve Jones/HiQ - for permission to upload.

X-ray · 01 December 2006, 15:50

@ alewis

What was the result?

@ adolescent and alexh

Can you tell us how the Siamese works on your system? I mean in terms of software, connections between the Amiga and PC etc.
Do you use a SCSI network? I am tempted to try it. I have two SCSI options on the Amiga side (SCSI UW and SCSI II) but only one SCSI option on PC (SCSI II).
Any thoughts?

adolescent · 01 December 2006, 20:48

@x-ray

Sorry, I only use Ethernet. (No SCSI on my XPC)

17 February 2006, 07:59	#28
utri007 mä vaan Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Finland Posts: 1,655	Well moust of amiga software is still cormercially availlable somewhere. Check this list http://www.gentle-eye.fi/pelit.html all games are new NOT second hand. I think that if program is still availlable somewhere its not mean anything ellse that one collector will buy it to his/her collection. Main point is what is abandonware?????? Can or cannot still bought comercially? as I said allmoust every game/app is still comercially availlable somewhere. Who decides what is abandonware, me? you? who? Is it still supported. How new it is. Ifusion is on the Zone and it is still comercially availlable in softhut and it is still supported by maker Last edited by utri007; 17 February 2006 at 09:25.

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13 February 2006, 07:16	#21
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,356	There were no PCI bus boards in 1996/7, just expensive zorro cards like the Picasso and Cybervisions, plus the Bvision/Cvision. Siamese added RTG to Amiga's with just an ethernet card and software. The quoted performance is 500x that of AGA, but I dunno if that is true. Yes it redirects gfx through a LAN, SCSI network or serial.

13 February 2006, 20:18	#22
_ThEcRoW Amiga NetRunner Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Spain Age: 45 Posts: 941	If it's legal, i have no problem in zoneing it. Anyone knows anything about it?

13 February 2006, 22:44	#23
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	bah, I think it is somewhat useless... no xp/2000 comp... and I bet it is tricky too, lol it is only usefull for curiosity reasons I think...

14 February 2006, 07:44	#24
adolescent Powered by Motorola Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Redondo Beach, CA Age: 52 Posts: 1,065	The ISA switcher card might not work with 2000/XP but the 2.5 software does. Also, I have not seen any problems with 3.5/3.9. Although, I don't use the RTG functionality much.

14 February 2006, 09:01	#25
utri007 mä vaan Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Finland Posts: 1,655	Zone it Please WHDload games doesn't work in my machine, but all originals work and cd32 emulator etc. I disagree about that RTG games are rubbish I've Win XP so it woun't probably work but I want to check it out

16 February 2006, 13:40	#26
utri007 mä vaan Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Finland Posts: 1,655	anyone?

16 February 2006, 14:11	#27
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,356	I think the concensus is that this product can still be bought commercially at SoftHut.

10 March 2006, 11:28	#29
_ThEcRoW Amiga NetRunner Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Spain Age: 45 Posts: 941	It works on xp without problem.

11 March 2006, 17:31	#30
_ThEcRoW Amiga NetRunner Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Spain Age: 45 Posts: 941	So any mod here can tell me if it is correct to upload it to the zone?. I don't want to break any board rules.

06 September 2006, 21:05	#32
alewis Monochrome and 8 bit Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Underbarrow, Gods Country Age: 57 Posts: 600	have asked paul who holds copyright, and if it is him - as opposed to Steve Jones/HiQ - for permission to upload.

01 December 2006, 15:50	#33
X-ray Angry Kid Fan Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: London Posts: 230	@ alewis What was the result? @ adolescent and alexh Can you tell us how the Siamese works on your system? I mean in terms of software, connections between the Amiga and PC etc. Do you use a SCSI network? I am tempted to try it. I have two SCSI options on the Amiga side (SCSI UW and SCSI II) but only one SCSI option on PC (SCSI II). Any thoughts?

01 December 2006, 20:48	#34
adolescent Powered by Motorola Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Redondo Beach, CA Age: 52 Posts: 1,065	@x-ray Sorry, I only use Ethernet. (No SCSI on my XPC)

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