New monitor that works with PAL resolutions

fryguy · 28 October 2009, 19:16

Thought i should mention this, i'm not sure if this works for everyone but according to Laz on Safir his BenQ G2420 works fine on 15khz resolutions with his A1200.

to the thread in Swedish

According to the specs it seems like it should not work though?

Leffmann · 28 October 2009, 20:40

Was thinking of buying an RGB to VGA connector so I could get a true 640x480 60Hz Workbench on my VGA screen, but of course the 15kHz modes wouldn't work then. This flat screen might be the solution!

I was told that Benq have listed this screen as not being able to go lower than 20kHz or something. If this is the case then could it be that other production runs of this screen might not accept the 15kHz signals?

gulliver · 28 October 2009, 21:04

The Sampo LME-17S3 handles Amiga 15khz as standart, but it does not come cheap!
Also does the Sony PVM-20M2MDU. As a rule of thumb, if a Sony PVM monitor has an analog RGB input, it will be a suitable monitor for old-school RGB gaming (ie. 15.75kHz).
Spanish industrial monitors suchs as Lazkun LZKPE19OF00.
Mitsubishi Diamond Scan 20M (model HC3925KTK), is a CRT max resolution 800x600
Sceptre C-NagaV 19" works in 15 khz
The one at this link http://www.converters.tv/products/vga_to_vga/474.html

fryguy · 28 October 2009, 21:46

@Leffman: according to the specs of the Benq it only goes down to 24Khz..

gulliver · 28 October 2009, 21:48

Hantarex

mtc900 15khz
mtc9000 15khz
mtc 9110 15khz
Polo?1 15khz
polo1 dual frequency 15/24khz
polo 2 15/24khz
PoloStar?15/24/31 khz

Nanao

MS8-25F?
MS8-26?
MS8-29?
MS9-29A?
MS9-29SU?
MS9-29T?
MS-2930? 15/24/31 manual resolution switch
MS-2931? 15/24/31 auto resolution switch
MS-2932? 31khz
MS-2934? 31khz

Pentranic

29" universal
29" pure flat universal

Sanwa

PM1745 15/24khz
PM1755 15/24/31khz
29E31S
29PF31
29PFX 15/24/31khz Pure Flat

Wei-Ya

M31 Series?

Wells-Gardner

K7000 series 15khz
K7600 24khz
U5000 15/24khz
U3000 31khz
D9200
D9400 15/24/31khz digital
D9800 15/24/31khz digital

RODOTRON

666A-29?
666B-29?

ACER

1455

StarEye · 30 October 2009, 01:31

Doing a little basic research, the official BenQ website tells us that the G2420HD only supports 20khz. If the information in the original post is true, then it's some kind of a "hidden" feature only few people would discover. Could doing this harm the monitor?

I have a BenQ G2220HDA, which I recently aquired. I will try tomorrow, maybe...

RedskullDC · 30 October 2009, 12:50

Hi FryGuy,

Quote:

Originally Posted by fryguy

Thought i should mention this, i'm not sure if this works for everyone but according to Laz on Safir his BenQ G2420 works fine on 15khz resolutions with his A1200.

to the thread in Swedish

According to the specs it seems like it should not work though?

Quite correct, should only scan down to 20kHz.

I have one of the G2420HD's, but never thought of trying it with the Amiga.
The BenQ monitors are cheap as chips here in Oz:
http://ijk.com.au/branch/ijk/product...ucts_id=122408

Will plug it in tomorrow and give it a go!

Cheers,
Red

DDNI · 30 October 2009, 14:12

It looks like the VGA cable is directly connected to the Amiga. What type of 23pin to 15pin adapter are you using? Is it the silver supplied with A4000 jobby?

fryguy · 30 October 2009, 16:04

@DDNI: it's not my pictures, but the person who tried it used a standard C= VGA adapter AFAIK.

RedskullDC · 31 October 2009, 09:40

Hi All,

Plugged my A500 into the BenQ G2420HD this afternoon.

It does indeed scan down to 15Khz!!

Just used a quick 23pin->15pin VGA adapter hack as shown.

Will plug the 1200 in later on to try some of the other screen modes, PAL/NTSC etc.
Will report back here.

Cheers,
Red

fryguy · 31 October 2009, 13:01

Yep another swedish Amiga user also bought a 2420HD and confirmed that it works for him too.

I tried looking for my VGA-adaptor yesterday to try with my G2400W but i suppose it won't work as the specs says it only syncs down to 31KHz. Couldn't find my VGAadapter though :/

Photon · 31 October 2009, 20:21

A quick translation of the Swedish thread: (the Benq LCD)

+ scrolls smoothly in Pinball Dreams smoothly (no 50-to-60Hz resampling)
+ overall, a good screen for gaming
- interlaced modes aren't deinterlaced (Not surprising. I wonder if it's perfect (as perfect as on A3000) with a Flickerfixer without Scandoubler? Should be.)
- hires modes result in filtered fonts, no way to select a "good" resolution

They mention 1280x1024 to get crisp fonts in 640x512, but it's a 1920x1080 screen, so I'm confused.

And Gulliver that's some ACE lists you have there - a bigger problem is finding sellers in Europe. Do you have some voodoo magic lists of them, too?

I'm looking for a NEW 19-20" 15KHz, 50Hz RGB-CRT. Arcade monitors like Hantarex are perfect but they lack enclosures.

Photon · 01 November 2009, 01:07

Looking at the screenshots, 4:3 is stretched to fit the monitor. Blech. Also, the o's in the font in the WB shot are not equal.

"They should be equal." (c) The Office

RedskullDC · 01 November 2009, 05:45

Hi All,

Tested all the screenmodes.

Seems OK with everything except DBLPal and DBLNtsc modes (~29kHz)
Oddly enough, it complains about them being out of range.

50HzPAL/ 60HzNTSC both worked fine in lores/hires.
Text is certainly clear enough to play games.

EURO72 modes appear the clearest when upscaled to fit the screen size.
Certainly clear enough to do word processing or coding.

Cheers,
Red

amigafan1200 · 01 November 2009, 17:52

Just ordered one of the BenQ G2420HD.
Let you know when it arrives if the newer ones still support 15 khz.

alexh · 02 November 2009, 00:33

What are interlaced screen modes like? How bad is the flickering?

What is the monitor like as a PC monitor? These monitors are very very cheap in the UK for a 24" monitor. Under £150!

Photon · 02 November 2009, 04:52

How to adjust the picture to get square pixels, tho? Any controls to go 5:4?

Or do they (or others) do 5:4 monitors with the same scan support?

Edit: The Swedish thread had some more replies - the HD one does support 4:3 (but presumably not 5:4, or the author would have mentioned it).

Here's the HD one he bought: http://www.webhallen.com/prod.php?id...0&ref=Prisjakt

RedskullDC · 02 November 2009, 11:32

Hi AlexH, Photon, et al.

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexh

What are interlaced screen modes like? How bad is the flickering?

What is the monitor like as a PC monitor? These monitors are very very cheap in the UK for a 24" monitor. Under £150!

Interlaced is not very good, just as bad as on my 1084S

Did a bit more playing around with it this evening.
If I run the VGAOnly driver first, then DBLPAL and DBLNTSC now work.
Multiscan productivity is also pretty good.

When operating in 640x480 or 640x400 modes, it is possible to change the screen to 4:3 aspect ratio. Check the attached pic.

Screen won't allow anything but 16:9 ratio's in any of the 15kHz modes, not that I am complaining!

----

As a PC monitor it's great. Normally I use this monitor as a second screen for my Macbook pro when doing coding/gfx stuff for the Mac. 1920x1000 crystal clear.
My employer bought a load of them since they were so cheap!

Cheers,
Red

alexh · 02 November 2009, 11:58

Bummer, I dunno if I could live with a stretched screen when playing games.

What is the vertical height of the viewing area in mm?

With it being a 24" widescreen monitor I want to compare size with my 20" CRT.

haynor666 · 02 November 2009, 12:34

LCD for amiga? Is it really good idea

28 October 2009, 19:16	#1
fryguy Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Skarabörg, Sweden Age: 44 Posts: 1,019	New monitor that works with PAL resolutions Thought i should mention this, i'm not sure if this works for everyone but according to Laz on Safir his BenQ G2420 works fine on 15khz resolutions with his A1200. to the thread in Swedish According to the specs it seems like it should not work though? Last edited by fryguy; 28 October 2009 at 20:32. Reason: Added pics to thread.

28 October 2009, 21:04	#3
gulliver BoingBagged Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The South of nowhere Age: 46 Posts: 2,358	The Sampo LME-17S3 handles Amiga 15khz as standart, but it does not come cheap! Also does the Sony PVM-20M2MDU. As a rule of thumb, if a Sony PVM monitor has an analog RGB input, it will be a suitable monitor for old-school RGB gaming (ie. 15.75kHz). Spanish industrial monitors suchs as Lazkun LZKPE19OF00. Mitsubishi Diamond Scan 20M (model HC3925KTK), is a CRT max resolution 800x600 Sceptre C-NagaV 19" works in 15 khz The one at this link http://www.converters.tv/products/vga_to_vga/474.html Last edited by gulliver; 28 October 2009 at 21:25.

28 October 2009, 21:48	#5
gulliver BoingBagged Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The South of nowhere Age: 46 Posts: 2,358	Hantarex mtc900 15khz mtc9000 15khz mtc 9110 15khz Polo?1 15khz polo1 dual frequency 15/24khz polo 2 15/24khz PoloStar?15/24/31 khz Nanao MS8-25F? MS8-26? MS8-29? MS9-29A? MS9-29SU? MS9-29T? MS-2930? 15/24/31 manual resolution switch MS-2931? 15/24/31 auto resolution switch MS-2932? 31khz MS-2934? 31khz Pentranic 29" universal 29" pure flat universal Sanwa PM1745 15/24khz PM1755 15/24/31khz 29E31S 29PF31 29PFX 15/24/31khz Pure Flat Wei-Ya M31 Series? Wells-Gardner K7000 series 15khz K7600 24khz U5000 15/24khz U3000 31khz D9200 D9400 15/24/31khz digital D9800 15/24/31khz digital RODOTRON 666A-29? 666B-29? ACER 1455 Last edited by gulliver; 28 October 2009 at 21:57.

31 October 2009, 09:40	#10
RedskullDC Digital Corruption Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Dorrigo/Australia Age: 60 Posts: 355	Hi All, Plugged my A500 into the BenQ G2420HD this afternoon. It does indeed scan down to 15Khz!! Just used a quick 23pin->15pin VGA adapter hack as shown. Will plug the 1200 in later on to try some of the other screen modes, PAL/NTSC etc. Will report back here. Cheers, Red Attached Thumbnails

02 November 2009, 04:52	#17
Photon Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Eksjö / Sweden Posts: 5,602	How to adjust the picture to get square pixels, tho? Any controls to go 5:4? Or do they (or others) do 5:4 monitors with the same scan support? Edit: The Swedish thread had some more replies - the HD one does support 4:3 (but presumably not 5:4, or the author would have mentioned it). Here's the HD one he bought: http://www.webhallen.com/prod.php?id...0&ref=Prisjakt Last edited by Photon; 02 November 2009 at 05:04.

28 October 2009, 20:40	#2
Leffmann Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Sweden Posts: 2,269	Was thinking of buying an RGB to VGA connector so I could get a true 640x480 60Hz Workbench on my VGA screen, but of course the 15kHz modes wouldn't work then. This flat screen might be the solution! I was told that Benq have listed this screen as not being able to go lower than 20kHz or something. If this is the case then could it be that other production runs of this screen might not accept the 15kHz signals?

28 October 2009, 21:46	#4
fryguy Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Skarabörg, Sweden Age: 44 Posts: 1,019	@Leffman: according to the specs of the Benq it only goes down to 24Khz..

30 October 2009, 01:31	#6
StarEye Zone Friend Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Norway Age: 46 Posts: 987	Doing a little basic research, the official BenQ website tells us that the G2420HD only supports 20khz. If the information in the original post is true, then it's some kind of a "hidden" feature only few people would discover. Could doing this harm the monitor? I have a BenQ G2220HDA, which I recently aquired. I will try tomorrow, maybe...

30 October 2009, 14:12	#8
DDNI Targ Explorer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 5,431	It looks like the VGA cable is directly connected to the Amiga. What type of 23pin to 15pin adapter are you using? Is it the silver supplied with A4000 jobby?

30 October 2009, 16:04	#9
fryguy Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Skarabörg, Sweden Age: 44 Posts: 1,019	@DDNI: it's not my pictures, but the person who tried it used a standard C= VGA adapter AFAIK.

31 October 2009, 13:01	#11
fryguy Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Skarabörg, Sweden Age: 44 Posts: 1,019	Yep another swedish Amiga user also bought a 2420HD and confirmed that it works for him too. I tried looking for my VGA-adaptor yesterday to try with my G2400W but i suppose it won't work as the specs says it only syncs down to 31KHz. Couldn't find my VGAadapter though :/

31 October 2009, 20:21	#12
Photon Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Eksjö / Sweden Posts: 5,602	A quick translation of the Swedish thread: (the Benq LCD) + scrolls smoothly in Pinball Dreams smoothly (no 50-to-60Hz resampling) + overall, a good screen for gaming - interlaced modes aren't deinterlaced (Not surprising. I wonder if it's perfect (as perfect as on A3000) with a Flickerfixer without Scandoubler? Should be.) - hires modes result in filtered fonts, no way to select a "good" resolution They mention 1280x1024 to get crisp fonts in 640x512, but it's a 1920x1080 screen, so I'm confused. And Gulliver that's some ACE lists you have there - a bigger problem is finding sellers in Europe. Do you have some voodoo magic lists of them, too? I'm looking for a NEW 19-20" 15KHz, 50Hz RGB-CRT. Arcade monitors like Hantarex are perfect but they lack enclosures.

01 November 2009, 01:07	#13
Photon Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Eksjö / Sweden Posts: 5,602	Looking at the screenshots, 4:3 is stretched to fit the monitor. Blech. Also, the o's in the font in the WB shot are not equal. "They should be equal." (c) The Office

01 November 2009, 05:45	#14
RedskullDC Digital Corruption Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Dorrigo/Australia Age: 60 Posts: 355	Hi All, Tested all the screenmodes. Seems OK with everything except DBLPal and DBLNtsc modes (~29kHz) Oddly enough, it complains about them being out of range. 50HzPAL/ 60HzNTSC both worked fine in lores/hires. Text is certainly clear enough to play games. EURO72 modes appear the clearest when upscaled to fit the screen size. Certainly clear enough to do word processing or coding. Cheers, Red

01 November 2009, 17:52	#15
amigafan1200 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Narrogin Australia Posts: 49	Just ordered one of the BenQ G2420HD. Let you know when it arrives if the newer ones still support 15 khz.

02 November 2009, 00:33	#16
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,337	What are interlaced screen modes like? How bad is the flickering? What is the monitor like as a PC monitor? These monitors are very very cheap in the UK for a 24" monitor. Under £150!

02 November 2009, 11:58	#19
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,337	Bummer, I dunno if I could live with a stretched screen when playing games. What is the vertical height of the viewing area in mm? With it being a 24" widescreen monitor I want to compare size with my 20" CRT.

02 November 2009, 12:34	#20
haynor666 retro maniac Join Date: May 2002 Location: Tarnobrzeg/Poland Age: 45 Posts: 1,748	LCD for amiga? Is it really good idea

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