AmigaOS 3.1.4 withdrawn from market after Amiga

[krautguy]

oh yes. But this is new. Obviously something changed. So it is possible to buy the pure Download again. Its even the same provider "ShareIt".

Maybe Hyperion reached some kind of success in court?

[acidbottle]

Thanks krautguy.

That does answer my question, since you have purchased a physical version and no access yet to a digital copy. Though this has only just become available again, as of yesterday, as correctly pointed out.

Was hoping you would get an order confirmation email with your serial number attached, but no matter!

[spudje]

The serial for a physical copy is on the label of the ROM chip. That you can use for a digital download as well. So not in a confirmation mail, only when the ROM arrives in the snail mail.

@krautguy I'm sure Hyperion putting them online again has nothing to do with progress in the legal battle. The trial is only scheduled for end of 2019!!! They may be in talks about a new settlement, but I'm pretty sure if that's the case there won't have been any significant progress yet. The main reason for putting them online again is, my guess, that many stores refuse to sell the physical ROMs, in fear of the no infamous cease and desist orders. And just to keep money flowing in they put the digital version online again.

[nexus]

yes it tells you all this on there page before you click buy links

Downloadable Content:
In order to take advantage of the downloadable content available from our restricted download area, customers need to create a free Hyperion account on our website (if not done so before) and register their purchase using the serial number on their ROM label using the Product Registration mechanism from the user menu.

[gatti]

Was available again as digital after that publication on Facebook :
https://www.facebook.com/20066513162...0048145555165/

[SpeedGeek]

WOW! The Amiga parties have just filed a motion for preliminary injunction, including a sh*t-load of supporting exhibits (e.g. Declaration of Bill McEwen). I wondered when they would get tired of cat and mouse games with "Cease and Desist" :

MOTION for Preliminary Injunction , filed by Counter Claimants Amiga, Inc, Itec, LLC, Defendants Amiga, Inc, Amino Development Corporation, Cloanto Corporation, Itec, LLC, Consol Plaintiff Cloanto Corporation. Noting Date 1/18/2019, (Troy, Gordon)
Att: 1 Exhibit 1 - Declaration of Michele Console Battilana,
Att: 2 Exhibit MB-1 - Hyperion 20091017 Announcement,
Att: 3 Exhibit MB-2 - Boot Screens 3.1 (Original & 2016 Hyperion),
Att: 4 Exhibit MB-3 - Boot Screen 3.1.4,
Att: 5 Exhibit MB-4 - Boot Screen 3.1.4 (update),
Att: 6 Exhibit MB-5 - Hyperion on Facebook,
Att: 7 Exhibit MB-6 - Amiga OS discs,
Att: 8 Exhibit MB-7 - Hyperion website statement 2017-12-31,
Att: 9 Exhibit 2 - Declaration of Bill McEwen,
Att: 10 Exhibit WM-1 - 2001 OEM License,
Att: 11 Exhibit WM-2 - 2008-12-19 Hyperion Draft (Redline),
Att: 12 Exhibit WM-3 - 2008-12-29 Amiga Draft (Redline),
Att: 13 Exhibit WM-4 - 2009-03-30 Amiga Draft (Redline),
Att: 14 Exhibit WM-5 - 2009-02-06 Hyperion Draft,
Att: 15 Exhibit WM-6 - 2009-02-16 (Exhibit 1 List),
Att: 16 Exhibit WM-7 - AmigaOS 3.1.4 floppy discs,
Att: 17 Exhibit WM-8 - Boot-UP Screen Amiga OS 3.1.4,
Att: 18 Proposed Order

[hth313]

Do you have a link to the document(s)?

[hiho]

This motivated me to go ahead with my order for my two systems.

[number6]

Originally Posted by hth313

Do you have a link to the document(s)?

The post above yours is just a list of documents from:
item #45 here

The actual content of said documents only appears after someone acquires them, decides which are worthy of reupload, and does so.

Such listings often appear here first:
https://twitter.com/amigadocuments

#6

[number6]

Originally Posted by number6

The post above yours is just a list of documents from:
item #45 here

The actual content of said documents only appears after someone acquires them, decides which are worthy of reupload, and does so.

Such listings often appear here first:
https://twitter.com/amigadocuments

#6

That didn't take long:
courtesy Amiganews

#6

[nexus]

https://docs.google.com/file/d/1k2hv...WpxP98MCL/edit

[hth313]

And I who had hoped it would be quiet for a year...

Interesting to see that Cloanto is claimed to own the copyright of AmigaOS 3.1. I have seen it mentioned on discussion forums before, but it is clearly stated in this document (page 3 line 15 and page 11 line 7).

[paulo_becas]

Really ??? This is why i can't get a copy of this update or whatever you want to call it?
Why the hell this needs to get to court and both hyperion and cloanto don't sit and talk about this... i don't think they are going to have a massive profit with this. I don't understand why this is still under copyrighting law.
The amiga still survives mostly due to fans that refuse to let amiga die.
I don't see cloanto making much progress with Amiga OS 3.1, for me is a dead system and here comes someone that tries to enhance it and they all start fighting over this.
I know everyone can tell that one has copyrights over the system but lets face it, who pays for amiga os 3.1??? come on guys...
I understand all this copyright mambo jambo but Cloanto isn't helping the comunity with this behavior, i also think that hyperion should give this for free due to those copyright infringement... anyway i was willing to pay for it so Cloanto move your ass and do something to upgrade Amiga OS 3.1 or try to reach some kind of agreement with hyperion to make this an oficial upgrade and split profits and then everyone is happy including the fans.

[malko]

[...] For the reasons stated above, the Court should grant the requested preliminary injunction, and, if the Court deems necessary, set a hearing to determine the amount of the bond. [...]

So nothing has been decided yet ? Did I understood correctly the document and the above last sentence ?

Originally Posted by hth313

[...] Interesting to see that Cloanto is claimed to own the copyright of AmigaOS 3.1. I have seen it mentioned on discussion forums before, but it is clearly stated in this document (page 3 line 15 and page 11 line 7).

Since 2007 ?
I know it would not happen but the judge should read user's opinion on the net and stop thinking such (speaking about Cloanto) :

[...] suffering and will continue to suffer irreparable harm to their reputations and good will [...]

Could someone tell me that Cloanto have no licence regarding the C64 (with their C64 forever) or is it the same mess ?

[Mr.Flibble]

Originally Posted by malko

So nothing has been decided yet ? Did I understood correctly the document and the above last sentence ?

Correct because it's a filing to the court from the Amiga companies + Cloanto against Hyperion, the Judge will then read and take action accordingly, although there may be additional filings between both sides before anything happens, but at a minimum you should get a response from Hyperion before anything happens.

[hth313]

Originally Posted by malko

So nothing has been decided yet ? Did I understood correctly the document and the above last sentence ?

The summary as I understand it.

Amiga Inc and Cloanto claims that Cloanto owns 3.1, and Hyperion is only allowed to do 4.x/PPC. Hyperion thinks it can do both 3.1 and 4.x.

The real trial is set to December 2019. Hyperion releases 3.1.4 in September 2017 and sales takes off. Amiga Inc tries to stop this by sending cease or desist orders to the resellers. After a short pause sales resumes. Now Cloanto and Amiga go to court for a preliminary injunction, which I think can be seen as a preliminary ruling to prevent certain actions (keep selling 3.1.4 in this case). They have to show several things for that to go through, among others that they are likely to win the case, that they are suffering now and it is in the public interest. January 18 is a date related to this.

That there are a lot of talk about how this affects Cloanto now in the document is to motivate that this preliminary injunction is needed.

Since 2007 ?
I know it would not happen but the judge should read user's opinion on the net and stop thinking such (speaking about Cloanto) :

The document claims that Cloanto owns 3.1 since end of 2016, see page 11.

Anyone who wants 3.1.4 should order it soon, anyone who want to avoid buying software that potentially is distributed illegally or do not want to feed the lawyers should stay away.

[hiho]

Originally Posted by hiho

This motivated me to go ahead with my order for my two systems.

I received my shipment on 3 Jan 2019. Seven days isn't bad during the holidays.

[kolla]

It's more annoying that 3.1.4 was shipped in a premature state, and now people buy kickstarts ROMs with a version of shell, that doesn't respect failat and with an experimental implementation of pipe handling that has corny side effects.

[kolla]

Originally Posted by paulo_becas

Why the hell this needs to get to court

Because Hyperion is a company founded and run by a lawyer, "court" is the only language this company understands.

[McTrinsic]

Originally Posted by kolla

It's more annoying that 3.1.4 was shipped in a premature state, [...].

I beg to differ. There was a huge significant effort of testing going into the release. The situation has vastly improved compared to 3.1 ROMs.