Details for the next generation of Flickerfixers from Individual Computers

[fitzsteve]

Yo peeps, I posted a Video of my Indi AGA MkII in action

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[roy bates]

Originally Posted by fitzsteve

Yo peeps, I posted a Video of my Indi AGA MkII in action

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come on steve whos the uncharted fan

[NovaCoder]

Originally Posted by paulo_becas

I completely agree with you, there's no need for hostility.

Gibs
If you try to push from a PC GPU like Indi pushes with the amiga, in many cases, you'll see the same results depending on the quality of the PC components, so we can't expect that the amiga hardware behaves like we want it to behave, sometimes it's just not possible.
I've tested it on two NTSC equal boards with completely diferent results and yesterday i tested it with a 1D4 PAL Board and the results were like yours so i'm just happy to have one board working well.
Later i'll try to test it with the 2B rev. from my brother.

This kind of thing is only going to happen more and more as our hardware gets older and less consistent. Although I love bolting new hardware to my old MB, there will come a time when it will be more productive for Jens to just bring out a drop-in FPGA based MB replacement with all of the enhancements build it.......

[seb132]

@Fitzsteve: very impressive. Terribly responsive too... How many colours and what driver are you using (monitor). Thanks.

It's always impressive to see how much faster the 060 is when you're used to using an 030. *must get a B1260* *must get a B1260* *must ... resist ..."

[magnetic]

Ok got my a1200 online and downloaded the SuperPlus and HighGfx drivers. Couldnt find the Xtreme for some reason the links were dead?

Anyway, SuperPlus laced is awesome on my 22" del lcd via DVI almost perfect on screen. Ran in 256 colors for a little while seemed cool, then dropped down to 64 and did some things for over an hour with no artifacts or glitches...

I have to say I never though I'd see AGA chipset in a widescreen mode like this. amazing.



I launched Imagefx 4 and opened it on the super plus screen. I loaded the sample iff from high gfx but when i try to select the new screenmodes in Image fx Render prefs it wont open the screen If i launch the sample image from WB the monitor goes out of range..

edit: btw I'm wondering if there is a Splash screen for the MK2 when i boot my machine the monitor is out of sync (its an NTSC machine) and it goes straight to SuperPluslaced workbench now. Even If select PAl from the early boot (which the monitor displays) I dont see any splash when loading to a PAL screen either.

I'm dying for NTSC support because all my games and programs are ntsc mostly.

[Riempie]

Well, I got my A1200 stable by placing a cooler (ordered from Amigakit) on top of the Indy. But, it's only stable when the lid of the A1200 is off. With the lid on I still get gfx glitches and crashes.

So, somehow the heat can not get out enough with the lid on....

I haven't placed the metal shield inside yet, wich I will try (as the manual advises to do so), but I wonder if this is related to my heating problems.

Maybe adding the resistor on the Indy could solve my problems, but as I don't have any soldering skills or any knowledge about this I'll try to work something out (placing an extra cooler or something). If any of this doesn't help then I have to use my A1200 always with the lid off, which isn't a big problem because then I can always see the beauty in my A1200

I have motherboard rev 2D (which already had the timing fixes) and an ACA 56mhz turbocard. I'm pretty sure it's just a coincidence that this is happening with my setup as other combinations of hardware and revisions will give other (better) results...

I welcome any suggestions though on how to get the heat out of my A1200 (except from soldering)....

[magnetic]

Originally Posted by Riempie

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I haven't placed the metal shield inside yet, wich I will try (as the manual advises to do so), but I wonder if this is related to my heating problems.



I welcome any suggestions though if anybody has tips on how to get the heat out of my A1200 (except from soldering)....

I have the RF shield back in, modified as per the instructions that came with the MK2. I also have it grounded out to the rf shield.



I ran it the other night late for like 3 hrs straight, and yes it does make the a1200 hot, but it was working for me. I was mostly testing demos, so working the chipset pretty hard I would think!

[gibs]

Something is not clear for me.

For the accelerator ACA630, the RF Shield was said as useless.
For the FlickerFixer Indi AGA MKII it is.

For the ACA630, putting a fan on top of the heatsink was loosing the warranty.
For the Indi AGA MKII it seems not.

[paulo_becas]

Originally Posted by gibs

Something is not clear for me.

For the accelerator ACA630, the RF Shield was said as useless.
For the FlickerFixer Indi AGA MKII it is.

It's useless on both, on the indi manual it says that you should have the ground wire plugged to the shield because it has to say, but it's not necessary, i don't have it and it works great.

Originally Posted by gibs

For the ACA630, putting a fan on top of the heatsink was loosing the warranty.
For the Indi AGA MKII it seems not.

I don't think it looses the warranty in any of the cases, that's just stupid.
How is it possible to loose warranty if the fan or the heatsink is used to prevent any problem and to extend the life of the components?

[gibs]

In the documentation it's written : "We recommend to put the upper RF shield back on." ... "Operating the computer without the upper RF shield is
possible, but might result in EM noise and probably even in random computer crashes."

For Warranty:
http://eabmobile.abime.net/showthrea...rranty&page=39

[paulo_becas]

Originally Posted by gibs

In the documentation it's written : "We recommend to put the upper RF shield back on." ... "Operating the computer without the upper RF shield is
possible, but might result in EM noise and probably even in random computer crashes."

Like i said it says that because it has to, Jens already answered this one it's because the UE law or something but it runs just fine withou it.

Originally Posted by gibs

For Warranty:
http://eabmobile.abime.net/showthrea...rranty&page=39

Probably they say that because if you're not carefull choosing your fan it can fry your amiga, you should choose the 5v ones never a 12v fan, trust me on this i already fried a board with this, luckly i manage to repair it.

[Riempie]

Originally Posted by paulo_becas

Probably they say that because if you're not carefull choosing your fan it can fry your amiga, you should choose the 5v ones never a 12v fan, trust me on this i already fried a board with this, luckly i manage to repair it.

Are you sure about using 5v fans? Because Amigakit advised me to use the one on their website which seems to be 12v:

http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/...roducts_id=666

My board hasn't fried (yet)...

[Mr B]

Modifying your hardware always renders warranty worthless. For simple reasons. If you did something to the hardware, it's no longer possible to say that the fault is a birth defect, or if you introduced it. After you did anything, your relying on goodwill gestures from the manufacturer rather then warranty.
Hence, adding a fan that blows over the Indivision by means of sticking it to the RF shielding is OK, where as bolting it on a ACA630 cooler, is a different thing entirely. Jens also explains exactly how the cooler is supposed to work, and at what temperatures it's expected to keep the hardware, explaining that there is no need, what so ever, for a fan on the ACA630.

Heck, in exact opposite to what is stated in that thread, many GFX brands for the PC market will void your warranty if you as much as take the shroud of a factory cooling unit, and clean it, to then reassemble it again. Allowing you to replace your cooling with a better one, or just taking it of to replace the heat transfer paste, is a complete no go for 95% of all brands, with the exception of the enthusiast lineups, where they charge you enough to afford user introduced faults as a part of warranty claims.

Not sure what your gripes about warranty is, really.
B!

[paulo_becas]

Originally Posted by Riempie

Are you sure about using 5v fans? Because Amigakit advised me to use the one on their website which seems to be 12v:

http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=666

My board hasn't fried (yet)...

You're right, my mistake, i fried my board when i use two fans one was 5v and the other 12v.

Originally Posted by Mr B

Modifying your hardware always renders warranty worthless. For simple reasons. If you did something to the hardware, it's no longer possible to say that the fault is a birth defect, or if you introduced it. After you did anything, your relying on goodwill gestures from the manufacturer rather then warranty.
Hence, adding a fan that blows over the Indivision by means of sticking it to the RF shielding is OK, where as bolting it on a ACA630 cooler, is a different thing entirely. Jens also explains exactly how the cooler is supposed to work, and at what temperatures it's expected to keep the hardware, explaining that there is no need, what so ever, for a fan on the ACA630.

Heck, in exact opposite to what is stated in that thread, many GFX brands for the PC market will void your warranty if you as much as take the shroud of a factory cooling unit, and clean it, to then reassemble it again. Allowing you to replace your cooling with a better one, or just taking it of to replace the heat transfer paste, is a complete no go for 95% of all brands, with the exception of the enthusiast lineups, where they charge you enough to afford user introduced faults as a part of warranty claims.

Not sure what your gripes about warranty is, really.
B!

I don't see how it's possible to damage a component only by puting a fan on top of it.

I agree when you say that if you take the heatsink of a graphic board just to clean it, you loose the warranty but that's because the heatsink or the fan or whatever is a part of the component you bought.

[diablothe2nd]

Remember also, that it's not the voltage but the current that is the problem.

too much current (amps) through the tiny traces leading to the floppy power port will burn them out. fans draw a fair amount of current, especially on spin up. Amikit probably recommended a particular fan because it's a low current model.

[paulo_becas]

Originally Posted by diablothe2nd

Remember also, that it's not the voltage but the current that is the problem.

too much current (amps) through the tiny traces leading to the floppy power port will burn them out. fans draw a fair amount of current, especially on spin up. Amikit probably recommended a particular fan because it's a low current model.

[fitzsteve]

Originally Posted by seb132

@Fitzsteve: very impressive. Terribly responsive too... How many colours and what driver are you using (monitor). Thanks.

Thanks

I'm using 64 Colours and SuperPlus 800x600 driver

I'm going to make some tests with 1280x720 (HighGFX 720HD driver) with 64/128 and 256 Colours and might make another Video as I just bought a new Camera that takes 1080i Video's

[diablothe2nd]

i just this second tried superplus and still get "out of range"

[fitzsteve]

I made a new Video using the HD720 driver, this time in 16 colours

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I noticed some glitches towards the end so will try some cooling

Steve.