Trolls AGA

Sandro · 27 June 2015, 21:29

hey Toni can you fix Trolls AGA for this 3.20 realese ?
there are gfx issues in the intro (old bug still not fixed)

Toni Wilen · 28 June 2015, 19:33

Beta thread is wrong thread and there is nothing game specific to fix. Answer is still the same: nothing happens until 68020 CPU speed is more accurate. Slow, boring, mostly useless task.

amilo3438 · 28 June 2015, 21:19

@Sandro
As said before, your file is probably (corrupted) cracked version!

Gzegzolka · 28 June 2015, 22:48

I have finished trolls cd32 on winuae 2.8.1 and I do not have any problems with graphics.

amilo3438 · 28 June 2015, 22:51

Seems the problem was already discussed here:
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=74871

Sandro · 29 June 2015, 02:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by amilo3438

@Sandro
As said before, your file is probably (corrupted) cracked version!

nothing corrupted here ,it happens in IPF files also ,

as Toni said is because 020 speed is not 100% accurate

the screenshot you posted is fake because you have disabled caches on the early startup in the 2nd shot

you = TROLL

amilo3438 · 29 June 2015, 02:21

Nothing is faked here... The posted pictures are from planet-emu files!
Everyone can test same in WinUAE A1200 cycle-exact configuration AND find out WHO is trolling here.

P.s. Tested with new WinUAE 3.2.0 Beta !

EDIT:
Hmm, it seems there might be a problem with 020 prefetch mode in emulation (not accurate enough)...

because if "cycle-exact" = OFF the glitch still happens, but if also "More compatible" = OFF it works without glitches! (More compatible = prefetch mode)

Thus temporary solution is to use (in this and similar situations) an another configuration (like f.ex. attached one) until 020 cycle-exact becomes more accurate (if ever).

(but is more interesting why in WinUAE cycle-exact/prefetch mode the glitch does not happen with "Trolls (1993)(Flair)(AGA)(Disk 1 of 2)" - the one from planet-emu?!)

EDIT2:
Now testing the file "Trolls (1993)(Flair)(AGA)[cr PDX](Disk 1 of 2)" in older WinUAE versions cycle-exact mode:

(Note: If the above file refuse to start upon boot (white screen) than do a hard reset = press keys "LCtrl+LWin+LAlt+RWin"!)

WinUAE 2.1.0 (2010.04.28) = OK
WinUAE 2.2.0 (2010.06.28) = OK
WinUAE 2.3.0 (2010.09.24) = it start to glitch!!!

The winuaechangelog.txt says following:

Quote:

Final 2.3.0

Beta 14:

- added 68020 CE-mode very approximate 2-stage CPU prefetch pipeline emulation (not that 68020
don't really have 2-stage prefetch but it still will be more compatible without major changes)
Fixes ATR and (partially) Last Ninja 3 CD32 graphics glitches, (missing blitter waits..)
also more compatible with self-modifying code

amilo3438 · 29 June 2015, 10:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandro

the screenshot you posted is fake because you have disabled caches on the early startup in the 2nd shot

Hmm, still do not get it why you think the 2nd shot is fake?!

(was tested in WinUAE 3.2.0 Quickstart A1200 basic and no disabled cashes on early startup)

...and have a little talk about it.

Note: The 1st shot is from "Trolls (1993)(Flair)(AGA)(Disk 1 of 2)"!
...and the 2nd shot is from "Trolls (1993)(Flair)(AGA)[cr PDX](Disk 1 of 2)"!

Toni Wilen · 29 June 2015, 11:09

Include image checksums. Names can and will change and not everyone have same tosec sets.

amilo3438 · 29 June 2015, 11:29

Just check again Note on previous post.

bernd roesch · 02 July 2015, 12:34

If the problem depend on CPu speed and on other systems it work, then you can maybe get it working when you switch on windows power safe most. can change on the fly and need not reboot windows. maybe you have luck. CPU run in power safe mode around 1-1.5 GHZ maximum then when on. also you can see if it is timing problem, when graphic look diffrent depend on PC speed

Toni Wilen · 02 July 2015, 14:52

PC speed has no effect on emulation accuracy or speed in cycle-exact or approximate speed modes.

Quote:

Just check again Note on previous post

Not good enough

And I'd like to also have CRC of at least one broken version.

amilo3438 · 02 July 2015, 16:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

Not good enough

And I'd like to also have CRC of at least one broken version.

In any case better than nothing , right?

(P.s. Never underestimate the power of " magic words ".)

EDIT: Well, you already got links, so you can calculated their CRC's. (and still say that this is "not good enough")

And yeah, do not forget to test both files on an real A1200 before making of any conclusions. (just to remind)

Eagerly await the results! (and now to work)

(of course I'm joking... right, is not pleasant to receive requests without using "magic words")

Sandro · 03 July 2015, 03:46

Amilo3438 was right
I though he was trolling due the IPF file show gfx bugs and all the other cracks show gfx bugs
but there is only 1 version without gfx bugs ?????????????

resuming:

Trolls (1993)(Flair)(AGA)(Disk 1 of 2).zip **** NO gfx bugs

Trolls (1993)(Flair)(AGA)[cr PDX](Disk 1 of 2) **** gfx bugs

Trolls (1993)(Flair)(AGA)(Disk 1 of 2)[cr Flashtro][t +13 Flashtro].zip **** gfx bugs

trolls AGA ipf [0996] **** gfx bugs

I will investigate this cause also there are issues in the game in the versions that show gfx bugs

pending

amilo3438 · 03 July 2015, 12:05

Sandro was wrong, because he jumped to the conclusion too early without checking. (his conclusion was based only on his thinking and previous probably frustrating experience)

But now admitted a mistake which should be appreciated. (because it was able to defeat his own ego)

Congratulations!

Toni Wilen · 03 July 2015, 12:16

So it is still is emulation (CPU speed) problem, possibly some of the cracks include fix for faster CPUs or Amiga models or something.

(EDIT: assuming there is no bugs in real unexpanded A1200, this needs testing later)

Arnie · 03 July 2015, 12:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

PC speed has no effect on emulation accuracy or speed in cycle-exact or approximate speed modes.

Not good enough

And I'd like to also have CRC of at least one broken version.

Can someone explain to me how you would get the CRC of a disk?

amilo3438 · 03 July 2015, 12:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arnie

Can someone explain to me how you would get the CRC of a disk?

The easiest way is: when you open the zip file in the archive software, somewhere in the column is usually referred to the CRC, right?

Arnie · 03 July 2015, 12:33

er no, not really, can't see anything, what am I looking for?

Edit: Ahh, WinRar shows it, opening a zip in Windows zip software shows nothing.

Arnie · 03 July 2015, 13:01

@Toni

These are the disks that I tried using A1200 default.

The Trolls disk that works Trolls (1993)(Flair)(AGA)(Disk 1 of 2).zip CRC = 16E8627A

The one that has GFX gliches Trolls (1993)(Flair)(AGA)[cr PDX](Disk 1 of 2).zip CRC = 7AA6830C

27 June 2015, 21:29	#1
Sandro Banned Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: spain Posts: 897	Trolls AGA hey Toni can you fix Trolls AGA for this 3.20 realese ? there are gfx issues in the intro (old bug still not fixed) Attached Thumbnails

28 June 2015, 21:19	#3
amilo3438 Amiga 500 User Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: EU Posts: 1,502	@Sandro As said before, your file is probably (corrupted) cracked version! Attached Thumbnails Last edited by amilo3438; 28 June 2015 at 21:31.

03 July 2015, 03:46	#14
Sandro Banned Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: spain Posts: 897	Amilo3438 was right I though he was trolling due the IPF file show gfx bugs and all the other cracks show gfx bugs but there is only 1 version without gfx bugs ????????????? resuming: Trolls (1993)(Flair)(AGA)(Disk 1 of 2).zip ** NO gfx bugs Trolls (1993)(Flair)(AGA)[cr PDX](Disk 1 of 2) gfx bugs Trolls (1993)(Flair)(AGA)(Disk 1 of 2)[cr Flashtro][t +13 Flashtro].zip gfx bugs trolls AGA ipf [0996] ** gfx bugs I will investigate this cause also there are issues in the game in the versions that show gfx bugs pending Last edited by Sandro; 03 July 2015 at 03:55.

03 July 2015, 12:33	#19
Arnie R.I.P Smudge 18-08-16 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Leicester/UK Age: 66 Posts: 3,968	er no, not really, can't see anything, what am I looking for? Edit: Ahh, WinRar shows it, opening a zip in Windows zip software shows nothing. Last edited by Arnie; 03 July 2015 at 13:01.

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28 June 2015, 19:33	#2
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,505	Beta thread is wrong thread and there is nothing game specific to fix. Answer is still the same: nothing happens until 68020 CPU speed is more accurate. Slow, boring, mostly useless task.

28 June 2015, 22:48	#4
Gzegzolka Registered User Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Warszawa / Polska Posts: 1,858	I have finished trolls cd32 on winuae 2.8.1 and I do not have any problems with graphics.

28 June 2015, 22:51	#5
amilo3438 Amiga 500 User Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: EU Posts: 1,502	Seems the problem was already discussed here: http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=74871

29 June 2015, 11:09	#9
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,505	Include image checksums. Names can and will change and not everyone have same tosec sets.

29 June 2015, 11:29	#10
amilo3438 Amiga 500 User Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: EU Posts: 1,502	Just check again Note on previous post.

02 July 2015, 12:34	#11
bernd roesch Registered User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: germany Posts: 139	If the problem depend on CPu speed and on other systems it work, then you can maybe get it working when you switch on windows power safe most. can change on the fly and need not reboot windows. maybe you have luck. CPU run in power safe mode around 1-1.5 GHZ maximum then when on. also you can see if it is timing problem, when graphic look diffrent depend on PC speed

03 July 2015, 12:05	#15
amilo3438 Amiga 500 User Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: EU Posts: 1,502	Sandro was wrong, because he jumped to the conclusion too early without checking. (his conclusion was based only on his thinking and previous probably frustrating experience) But now admitted a mistake which should be appreciated. (because it was able to defeat his own ego) Congratulations!

03 July 2015, 12:16	#16
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,505	So it is still is emulation (CPU speed) problem, possibly some of the cracks include fix for faster CPUs or Amiga models or something. (EDIT: assuming there is no bugs in real unexpanded A1200, this needs testing later)

03 July 2015, 13:01	#20
Arnie R.I.P Smudge 18-08-16 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Leicester/UK Age: 66 Posts: 3,968	@Toni These are the disks that I tried using A1200 default. The Trolls disk that works Trolls (1993)(Flair)(AGA)(Disk 1 of 2).zip CRC = 16E8627A The one that has GFX gliches Trolls (1993)(Flair)(AGA)[cr PDX](Disk 1 of 2).zip CRC = 7AA6830C

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