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Old 14 May 2019, 23:12   #21
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Seems the budget versions skipped the RNC protection and most of the upper side is wasted as it's mostly trash/unformatted and not used!
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Old 14 May 2019, 23:25   #22
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Seems the budget versions skipped the RNC protection and most of the upper side is wasted as it's mostly trash/unformatted and not used!
Side effect of it being an Atari ST format, ST developers had to contend with ST owners that had single sided drives and double sided drives, so for a long time, they wrote their games to be single side loaders and had to add disks instead of using the other side.
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Side effect of it being an Atari ST format, ST developers had to contend with ST owners that had single sided drives and double sided drives, so for a long time, they wrote their games to be single side loaders and had to add disks instead of using the other side.

Well that's 'single' minded Atari for you
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Well that's 'single' minded Atari for you
its a bizarre situation really, I don't know why they didn't force owners to change their drives.

its what they did with Amiga, every game needed 1meg of memory, owners went and upgraded.

Upgrading a floppy drive in an ST wasn't tricky.
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Old 16 May 2019, 01:11   #25
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I did *cough* own *cough* a 520ST once but mine did have a double sided drive in it funnily enough, can't ever remember upgrading the drive but I did take it to some computer place in Loughborough around 1985 to have it upgraded to 1meg, not as easy as popping in an extra 512k like in the Amiga though!
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Tried out the speech it works, but boy oh boy does it sound horrible.... also the way Enemy is typed NME lol

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Must have been every byte of that single side used that ENEMY was just too much to fit on
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Old 17 May 2019, 16:41   #28
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It's the Pocket Power Collection release that has speech, I have this version and it does have speech!
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I have an original of Elite Battleships, it does have the speech from memory.
As I originally thought, all commercial releases of Battleships appear to have speech. Makes me wonder whether all the cracks without speech came from leaked beta copies of the game, or if the cracks were botched or butchered in some way.

Anyway, I'd rather have speech than no speech during the game.....even if the speech isn't the greatest! Otherwise it becomes a bit monotonous like the C64 version of Beach Head with just simple sound FX.

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Seems the budget versions skipped the RNC protection and most of the upper side is wasted as it's mostly trash/unformatted and not used!
IIRC, RNC is utilised on the original releases (must check again for my own curiosity), but not on the budget/compilation versions. Rob Northen reckons he did do some protection for the game, though - the game's listed in his cracking interview with Ian.

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I did *cough* own *cough* a 520ST once <snipped>
Oh dear! Better go stand in the corner Barry!!

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Oh dear! Better go stand in the corner Barry!!
I know, I think most people would rather admit they were gay than owning an ST

But, the ST was actually a good machine.......... when it was switched off, put in a cupboard and forgotten about
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As I originally thought, all commercial releases of Battleships appear to have speech. Makes me wonder whether all the cracks without speech came from leaked beta copies of the game, or if the cracks were botched or butchered in some way.
They probably just removed the speech in order to fit more on the disk. This was back in the time when compacts were common.
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They probably just removed the speech in order to fit more on the disk. This was back in the time when compacts were common.
Not likely, I managed to compress this speech version to less than 160K as a single file with nothing removed.
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