Bloody Xenon or It's sequel debate

[saimon69]

On the topic of Phalanx and Xenon 1 i remember the first generation of shooters on Amiga was pretty meh, we had goldrunner, Phalanx, insanity fight, Phalanx II (a bad clone of uridium but decent music for the time), spinworld ("torturing disk", nuff said), a vaguely R-type inspired vertical shooter [which i forgot the name], return to genesis, and XR-35 an horizontal infinite shooter with good parallax and one of the first 16 color sprites but pretty meh... among those Xenon 1 was pretty advanced, despite taking its playability from the arcade Valtric, and i still think the dual land/air vehicle topic could be expanded

[Minuous]

Originally Posted by saimon69

a vaguely R-type inspired vertical shooter [which i forgot the name]

Scorpio perhaps?

[saimon69]

Yup, that was him!

Not a Shoot em up fan full stop, but i did enjoy messing about on Xenon 2 , loved the gfx/music in it. But was bored of it within a day or 2. By the same token id no doubt get bored of Agony,Apidya,Swiv,Banshee,R-Type as well , so it doesnt really mean anything

[saimon69]

Originally Posted by xubidoo

Not a Shoot em up fan full stop, but i did enjoy messing about on Xenon 2 , loved the gfx/music in it. But was bored of it within a day or 2. By the same token id no doubt get bored of Agony,Apidya,Swiv,Banshee,R-Type as well , so it doesnt really mean anything

You might be more a turrican guy ^^

Originally Posted by saimon69

You might be more a turrican guy ^^

Definitely , love Turrican, all 3 , platform shooter like that i like, just not the standard Horizontal/Vertical type , i know they are very popular, just never got into them

[Dunny]

Scorpio was a big fave of mine BITD. Loved it, and was able to wrap it several times on one life

[ZEUSDAZ]

Well chaps I thought I'd better place the latest "Which is Best?" poll here otherwise it would mean another thread most likely entitled "Bloody Xenon or It's sequel debate again - again!".

Yep this month the question is if you had no choice but to play either Xenon 1 or 2 which would it be?!, possibly the simpler drawn but tougher first game or It's overhyped aged badly sequel (as many would put it).

You can either leave your answer, thoughts or whatever below or even place your decision on the youtube video attached: [ Show youtube player ]

Voting ends 15th August.

All the best chaps, Zeus

[Sgt Jack V]

Tried Xenon 1 - Garbage

Tried Xenon 2 - Garbage

[ZEUSDAZ]

Originally Posted by Sgt Jack V

Tried Xenon 1 - Garbage

Tried Xenon 2 - Garbage

Xenon 1 = too hard (even though I can complete the awesome Spectrum vesrion without losing a life).


Xenon 2 = overhyped from the start imo.


So I suggest you try Hybris and Battle Squadron,...and if you think those are garbage then no doubt you're an ST fanboy!!!

[roondar]

Xenon wasn't that bad.
But I didn't like Xenon 2.

[Goldbricker]

Xenon 2 mainly for the music, after starting with the bleepy PC version the Amiga was such an improvement.

[gimbal]

Originally Posted by Goldbricker

Xenon 2 mainly for the music, after starting with the bleepy PC version the Amiga was such an improvement.

Yeah people keep saying that and on the title screen it sounds pretty cool, but in-game it is exactly terrible because the sounds bomb the bass half the time. (badum pssh). Who in their right mind stops shooting in a game like this to listen to the music as intended?

It's not often that I want a game to just do either sound only or music only.

They're both pretty not good games, so I'm just tossing a coin and saying that Xenon 1 is slightly better. At least it has smooth movement, if you can see it under the thick layer of bullets

[saimon69]

Originally Posted by gimbal

Yeah people keep saying that and on the title screen it sounds pretty cool, but in-game it is exactly terrible because the sounds bomb the bass half the time. (badum pssh). Who in their right mind stops shooting in a game like this to listen to the music as intended?

In that the CDTV version might be as well the ultimate version considered there are more audio tracks on the game (and Richard Joseph impersonating Colin)

[LeChuck]

Neither are good shooters, there are way better on the Amiga let alone consoles & arcade.
I guess at least the first Xenon controlled better and wasnt so ridiculously overhyped so I'll go with that.

Personally, I find Bitmap Brothers really overrated. Outside of the excellent Speedball 2 and Chaos Engine none of their stuff really hold up when it comes to gameplay.. something like Gods for example, nice graphics but the stiff controls and "puzzles" that are just total trial and error with no logic behind them doesn't make for a very enjoyable game.
They also never really pushed the Amiga hardware very much.. most of their games were more or less identical on the Atari ST.

Now they did have some nice, tasteful pixel art in their games and a cool image but give me Sensible Software anyday, they knew how to make a fun game.

[Tigerskunk]

Originally Posted by saimon69

On the topic of Phalanx and Xenon 1 i remember the first generation of shooters on Amiga was pretty meh, we had goldrunner, Phalanx, insanity fight, Phalanx II (a bad clone of uridium but decent music for the time), spinworld ("torturing disk", nuff said), a vaguely R-type inspired vertical shooter [which i forgot the name], return to genesis, and XR-35 an horizontal infinite shooter with good parallax and one of the first 16 color sprites but pretty meh... among those Xenon 1 was pretty advanced, despite taking its playability from the arcade Valtric, and i still think the dual land/air vehicle topic could be expanded

And don't forget the almighty "Plutos"...

Also, Sarcophaser for the Amiga was quite okayish for early Amiga SHMUPs. But also much too hard imo.

R-Type was the first SHMUP on the Amiga that i could stand (and apart from Turrican 1 the only action game that I really liked on the Amiga)