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Well, it does seem to be coming together at last. Not much point buying one right away though - the 'expected date' of OS4 is two months later!
Can a techy peep explain why there are different flavours of OS4 for Cyberstorm and Blizzard PPC, please? P.S. Denmark? Germany, surely. |
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An OS is worthless without software and 3rd party support. Is there a reliable website or listing, for pete's sake, referring to these?
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Always well spoken. My agenda in re: Amiga is: Let it go open source. After this debacle, let it go into your hands, Twist. The Linux community may be much bigger, but I have never seen dedication and fanaticism as I have seen from Amiga OS people. It will be in good hands.
I also make a valid point to bring the attack up. What if before the impending launch of a console, there were no or a scant few titles announced? Take for example the half assed way 3DO or Atari Jaguar was handled. I find a striking similarity to the way Amiga (St)Inc has botched the whole thing up. And Atari and Trip Hawkins were far better backed and organized than Amiga (St)Inc. I mean, what the hell is the incentive for a typical Amigan to spend 600-800 bucks [very few if any non- Amigans would buy this machine, for the aformentioned reasons especially]?? As a educated techie , fanatic, or nonchalant newbie consumer, why would I do this ?? |
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I know the AmigaOne may just wither away and die, but I am only intrigued by from the aspect of being able to code on the platform with some of the same tools I now use for OS X and Linux. |
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03 October 2002, 03:16 | #7 |
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I think it may have something to do with the AmigaBIOS hack Hyperion implemented for piracy. Perhaps they're fine tuning a way to make OS 4 unique to the install on Cyberstorm and Blizzard systems you mentioned.
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I've been debating about getting a Pegasoso motherboard instead since it has more features and dev tools are readily available. |
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A1 and OS4 are not game consoles, so your analogy is severely flawed. And whilst the aforementioned systems were financially better backed, you can't even claim the original Amiga dream team had any type of reasonable financial backing, yet the Amiga systems enjoyed a flourishing success in the 80's and 90's. Throwing money at a product will not make it quality, nor popular with the finicky general public. It seems neither Hawkins nor Tramiel knew this. Even Gates can't always throw money at shit and expect the brown to turn green (so he resorts to his typical bullying tactics instead...) Incidently, if the Amiga OS goes open source, then what is in it for the people who are developing it? Should they feed their families with idealistic visions of old school Amiga fanatics who will finally accept their hard work once it is handed over to them for no cost? So it's not free source and the users reject it, staying with M$ Windows or Apple Mac who give the customer what they ask for by making their respective OS's open source, right? And more robust, crash-free OS's as a bonus! Okaaaaaaayyyyy... |
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It's simple: Eyetech have ordered the first production run of the A1 shortly after the BIOS was finished. It will take the far-east manufacturer about four weeks to build the boards and deliver them to the UK (Eyetech). The BIOS was finished about one week ago - add four to five weeks and you'll get the date at which your preferred dealer will have the boards. Quote:
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The dongle code which is used as an anti-piracy measure will be in the same ROM, but it has absolutely nothing to do with the BIOS. And (that was already stated months ago) the Cyberstorm/Blizzard version will require the presence of a real Kickstart ROM, they won't run on anything else than Classic machines. No need to "fine tune" anything. Quote:
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Well besides games, I am interested in office suites, database managers, reference software (anatomy, dictionary, world atlas, etc.), imaging programs, and HTML authoring (I am slowly getting into this field as a hobby). I am not familiar with what is available. I want to know of professional and commercial releases. If I (or the vast majority of potential consumers, I would safely guess) decide to buy the system, if it ever makes it to the public, I will NOT buy it for shareware and freeware. I want 3rd party and inhouse support.
This is a reasonable request. Last edited by Fred the Fop; 03 October 2002 at 09:37. |
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Same result. Disaster. No 3rd party...death of a good product. And as for your retort regarding the remark I made concerning the open source possibilities of Amiga OS, you have a point. BUT. Tell me now, do you reallllllly expect the Amiga OS 4 to be supported to a degree that these developers can feed their families? Uh uh. Not by any stretch. If it goes open source, people will develop for it the same reason they do it now. Many programs for the Amiga now are freeware. And look at Linux. Some people actually buy it, many corporations use it as server or firewall software. People DO make money coding for it. And people DO code for it out of love or munificence. Either way in my outlook of this pitiful debacle of Amiga Inc. the developers starve their asses off. |
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As for Open source developers feeding their families with "idealistic visions......". Somehow I don't think so as most open source developers have a full time job, and develop for free on the side. I'll keep an open mind about the amigaOne, but I doubt the amigaOne will ever come up with a machine that will leap frog all the current hardware as the 500 did in its day. I guess I'm too much of a retro person. |
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So I wasn't actually knocking Open Source as a concept. My take on this was that AmigaOS is still an owned copyrighted piece of work that has been developed by people who earn a living programming. And they are very likely good at what they do. The OS would surely benefit from Open Source treatment, but at this time it is part of a machine that is attempting to commercially offer an alternative OS based upon a design superior to what we use today. I'm not gonna be stand-off'ish about AmigaOS for its being commercial and not Open Source, which was the way I thought Frederic's tone was suggesting. And no, AmigaDOS will mosty likely not do what 1.3 did for the A500 back then. Everything was different then. The fact that history will not repeat itself really doesn't mean much. By that same token, things are also different in the PC and Mac world, as well. I'm a retro person, too, and the past always looks better to me. But I need to use a real OS and OS4 looks to be, for me, my brightest possibility to rise above the PC mire I am presently immersed in. |
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The past does indeed look better too me too... *sigh* .. I like you take on OS4, will be interesting how that shall evolve. |
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hehehe open source copy protection
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Not an open source copy protection program you idiot. Last edited by Oscar Castillo; 04 October 2002 at 15:44. |
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Yes there is copy protection code - BUT IT IS NOT PART OF THE BIOS. The proposed solution for Mac or Pegasos machines would be to put the copy protection code into an USB dongle. These machines do not have the A1 BIOS - but THAT WON'T STOP THEM FROM RUNNING AMIGAOS4. The AmigaOne ROM contains two different "programs": The A1 BIOS and the copy protection code. I really hope you understand the difference between "ROM" and "BIOS". Quote:
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