Fresh 4000 - Page 3

amigakit.com · 09 March 2010, 21:33

Some limited amount of Commodore A4000Ts made it out just before the end...

Villagetronic handled the European launch of OS 3.1 after April 1994

Dr. Dude · 09 March 2010, 21:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by amigakit.com

We have hundreds of original new Amiga manufactured mask 3.1 ROMs here (40.70) so have no plans on getting 40.68 ROMs in stock.

Fitting instructions are consistent.

ok, how about this one.
No workbench disks whit the WB.lib at hand, ok i have your dvd drive (whit OS3.5) conected, the mainboard as the ata board dont see it.
Whit nothing to get the wb.lib on disk (or to find it as the 3.1 rom is in it)

alexh · 09 March 2010, 21:50

Put your old ROMS back. Transfer the file to your hard drive. Put the new ones back.

amigakit.com · 09 March 2010, 21:52

You need a CD mountlist (or Dos Driver) to initialise the DVD.

With FastATA you can see what devices are connected with the ATA3prefs program.

When we sell OS 3.5 or 3.9, we ship an Emergency Boot disk which can be editted to initialise the CD drive.

AlexH's advice makes sense.

Dr. Dude · 09 March 2010, 21:55

and...the 20sec delay?

amigakit.com · 09 March 2010, 21:57

Kickstart 3.1 has a longer boot delay that other versions to accomodate slow spinning hard disks.

Dr. Dude · 09 March 2010, 22:16

ok
i guess my next order wil be:
Mediator PCI 4000Di Busboard
DENEB USB 2.0 CONTROLLER

CATWEASEL MK4 PLUS (PCI) < Just to get the basic up as i have the WRONG rom!
IE: make a workbench disk, whit all drivers, just to get the dvd rom running, install OS 3.5, connect by TCP/IP witch alows Amiga explorer to connect, what in turn alows me to get all the wanted files to the Amiga...
€98.77 wel spent to get things running

, i wil NOT keep switching Roms!

I wil fit in a ide to flashcard thingy, any flashcard wil do?
hmmm flash cards dont need 20secs to "start spinning"

anyway to remove that? maybe a eeprom whit a A4000D rom image?

Or maybe get a Kickrom switch to switch back to the 3.0roms....hmmmm kickrom switch whit rom3.1 and a eeprom prog holders?

prowler · 09 March 2010, 22:52

I found this information on Lemon Amiga about the difference between v40.68 3.1 ROMs for the A4000D and v40.70 3.1 ROMs for the A4000T.

Revision 40.68 (Commodore, 1993) is used by:
- A4000
Revision 40.70 (Commodore, 1994) is used by:
- A4000T
Difference in v40.70: The Kickstart for the A4000T does not contain the workbench.library. It was removed from the ROM to the Workbench disk (in the LIBS: directory), to make room for the A4091 SCSI support.

And here is a link to fitting instructions for 3.1 ROMs, including those for the A1200, A500, A600, A500 Plus, A1500, A2000, A3000 and A4000 (PDF 2.01MB).
http://www.classicamiga.com/images/s...91;manual].pdf

Dr. Dude · 09 March 2010, 23:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by prowler

I found this information on Lemon Amiga about the difference between v40.68 3.1 ROMs for the A4000D and v40.70 3.1 ROMs for the A4000T.

Revision 40.68 (Commodore, 1993) is used by:
- A4000
Revision 40.70 (Commodore, 1994) is used by:
- A4000T
Difference in v40.70: The Kickstart for the A4000T does not contain the workbench.library. It was removed from the ROM to the Workbench disk (in the LIBS: directory), to make room for the A4091 SCSI support.

And here is a link to fitting instructions for 3.1 ROMs, including those for the A1200, A500, A600, A500 Plus, A1500, A2000, A3000 and A4000 (PDF 2.01MB).
http://www.classicamiga.com/images/s...91;manual].pdf

yeah...we know now the wb.lib is not in the .70rom...
wierd pdf, it amost tell that my fitting is wrong by nr's
New roms

Read up, just above your post...

prowler · 09 March 2010, 23:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Dude

wierd pdf, it amost tell that my fitting is wrong by nr's
New roms

Read up, just above your post...

Power Computing's PDF agrees with SoftHut's instructions here:
http://www.softhut.com/cgi-bin/test/...&cart_id=52674

BTW, I've just bought a set of 40.68 ROMs for my A4000/40 desktop machine from Vesalia using your link.

Edit:
@AmigaKit: Don't worry, I'll still be coming to you for my replacement angled SIMM sockets with metal clips.

rkauer · 10 March 2010, 03:03

I have both Escom and Commodore 3.1 disk sets (3 sets in total), all of them have the workbench library on it.

I can dump the install or Workbench disk in dms format for anyone to needs it if it is OK with the forum rules.

Or just the missing library. Then Dr. Dude can install WB3.0 ROM, copy the library to LIBS: and then re-do the 3.1 set.

PM me if you want the file in other way.

papa_november · 10 March 2010, 08:21

I had no idea 4000T ROMs worked in the 4000D. I guess there's no reason why they shouldn't. Any odd effects besides the workbench.library thing?

Dr. Dude · 10 March 2010, 09:20

Guess i have to fixup somesort of kickrom switch, asi also have bought the 40.68 roms.

I wil fit in a flash card, hmmm. I guess i can fit it first in to my pc, and preinstall it.
Now that i think of it, i can connect the current HD to my pc. Not sure if its possible to actuly read it

. have to try that when i get home.

Getting the workbench.lib is not a prob, getting it to disk is

guess i have to get a Catweasel if i cant mount up a Amiga HD/flashcard to WinUAE

Jope · 10 March 2010, 09:30

BTW, there are 40.70 ROMs for the A4000D too, along with a few other machines as well.

The reason why they sell different minor revisions for each machine is, that the 40.70 ROMs exhibited problems in certain configurations for each machine. Thus they reverted to the last revision that worked without problems for each system before 3.1 was released.

You just need to get the correct 40.70 for your system if you insist on running that on your machine.

If you buy a KS ROM from an Amiga retailer, you will naturally not get 40.70 unless it is for an A4000T.

alexh · 10 March 2010, 09:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Dude

and...the 20sec delay?

I thought this 20sec delay was a Myth? Surely it isn't a delay but is actually polling loop where software is trying to detect disks. If you have a floppy disk or IDE/SCSI hard drive present and Kickstart can find and boot from it then there is no delay. It only manifests itself when you have no floppy disks and no IDE/SCSI drive present.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Dude

I also have bought the 40.68 roms.

??? What for? You had a set of perfectly good set of KS 40.70 ROM's!! Did you not read any of the advice given in this thread about how to work around the difficulties you were experiencing? Would have taken you 5 minutes to prepare your hard drive with wb.lib in LIBS and create a Workbench floppy disk also with wb.lib for the future. All you had to do was use your KS3.0 one last time and then you could have binned them.

prowler · 10 March 2010, 12:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Dude

Guess i have to fixup somesort of kickrom switch, asi also have bought the 40.68 roms.

Well, it looks like you actually bought the last set!

I've just received an email to say that they can't confirm my order yet because another customer bought the last set a few minutes before I placed my order! Whilst they are hoping to find another set, the ROMs are sold out at this time.

So, in the meantime, if you change your mind about buying the 40.68 ROMs as well, then you can sell them on to me!

Dr. Dude · 10 March 2010, 16:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexh

All you had to do was use your KS3.0 one last time and then you could have binned them.

Never bin working Amiga hardware

i know, guess i am going to have a multy rom system, if am in need to run things from disks that load up there own workbench

Quote:

Originally Posted by prowler

Well, it looks like you actually bought the last set!

I've just received an email to say that they can't confirm my order yet because another customer bought the last set a few minutes before I placed my order! Whilst they are hoping to find another set, the ROMs are sold out at this time.

So, in the meantime, if you change your mind about buying the 40.68 ROMs as well, then you can sell them on to me!

serius?

Seeing how many probs a rom can give, once i have the migy running good, il start a eeprom project. Rom on demand

.
perhaps even new roms?
guess thats a project for later to worry.

prowler · 10 March 2010, 16:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Dude

serius?

Of course I'm serious!

You beat me to the last set.

AmigaDeals have 40.68 A4000 3.1 ROM sets (used), so I can get them there if necessary.

I really don't think it's acceptable for AmigaKit to sell the 40.70 A4000T 3.1 ROM set as a compatible solution to customers wishing to upgrade an A4000 desktop machine 3.0 ROM set, and you should be refunded if you wished to return them, IMO.

alexh · 10 March 2010, 16:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by prowler

I really don't think it's acceptable for AmigaKit to sell the 40.70 A4000T 3.1 ROM set as a compatible solution to customers wishing to upgrade an A4000 desktop machine 3.0 ROM set, and you should be refunded if you wished to return them, IMO.

I don't think it's acceptable for senior members of EAB to give bad advice about kickstart ROM's that WILL work in A4000D if you follow the right installation procedure. Jebus you're all becoming version Nazi's

I'm sure that AmigaKit will be adding an extra line to their installation guide about installing wb.lib to your hard drive before upgrading ROMs.

amigakit.com · 10 March 2010, 16:39

@prowler

We have three desktop A4000 Desktops in use here in the office. They all have 40.70 ROMs installed.

We clearly advise before selling 40.70 ROMs that the end user needs a version of AmigaOS with Workbench.library in LIBS: so how can it be "unacceptable" if we have not misrepresented the product before purchase?

09 March 2010, 22:16	#47
Dr. Dude Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: On Ami World Posts: 500	ok i guess my next order wil be: Mediator PCI 4000Di Busboard DENEB USB 2.0 CONTROLLER CATWEASEL MK4 PLUS (PCI) < Just to get the basic up as i have the WRONG rom! IE: make a workbench disk, whit all drivers, just to get the dvd rom running, install OS 3.5, connect by TCP/IP witch alows Amiga explorer to connect, what in turn alows me to get all the wanted files to the Amiga... €98.77 wel spent to get things running, i wil NOT keep switching Roms! I wil fit in a ide to flashcard thingy, any flashcard wil do? hmmm flash cards dont need 20secs to "start spinning" anyway to remove that? maybe a eeprom whit a A4000D rom image? Or maybe get a Kickrom switch to switch back to the 3.0roms....hmmmm kickrom switch whit rom3.1 and a eeprom prog holders?

10 March 2010, 09:20	#53
Dr. Dude Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: On Ami World Posts: 500	Guess i have to fixup somesort of kickrom switch, asi also have bought the 40.68 roms. I wil fit in a flash card, hmmm. I guess i can fit it first in to my pc, and preinstall it. Now that i think of it, i can connect the current HD to my pc. Not sure if its possible to actuly read it. have to try that when i get home. Getting the workbench.lib is not a prob, getting it to disk is guess i have to get a Catweasel if i cant mount up a Amiga HD/flashcard to WinUAE

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09 March 2010, 21:33	#41
amigakit.com Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: www.amigakit.com Posts: 2,015	Some limited amount of Commodore A4000Ts made it out just before the end... Villagetronic handled the European launch of OS 3.1 after April 1994

09 March 2010, 21:50	#43
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,337	Put your old ROMS back. Transfer the file to your hard drive. Put the new ones back.

09 March 2010, 21:52	#44
amigakit.com Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: www.amigakit.com Posts: 2,015	You need a CD mountlist (or Dos Driver) to initialise the DVD. With FastATA you can see what devices are connected with the ATA3prefs program. When we sell OS 3.5 or 3.9, we ship an Emergency Boot disk which can be editted to initialise the CD drive. AlexH's advice makes sense.

09 March 2010, 21:55	#45
Dr. Dude Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: On Ami World Posts: 500	and...the 20sec delay?

09 March 2010, 21:57	#46
amigakit.com Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: www.amigakit.com Posts: 2,015	Kickstart 3.1 has a longer boot delay that other versions to accomodate slow spinning hard disks.

09 March 2010, 22:52	#48
prowler Global Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sidcup, England Posts: 10,300	I found this information on Lemon Amiga about the difference between v40.68 3.1 ROMs for the A4000D and v40.70 3.1 ROMs for the A4000T. Revision 40.68 (Commodore, 1993) is used by: - A4000 Revision 40.70 (Commodore, 1994) is used by: - A4000T Difference in v40.70: The Kickstart for the A4000T does not contain the workbench.library. It was removed from the ROM to the Workbench disk (in the LIBS: directory), to make room for the A4091 SCSI support. And here is a link to fitting instructions for 3.1 ROMs, including those for the A1200, A500, A600, A500 Plus, A1500, A2000, A3000 and A4000 (PDF 2.01MB). http://www.classicamiga.com/images/s...91;manual].pdf

10 March 2010, 03:03	#51
rkauer I hate potatos and shirts Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sao Leopoldo / Brazil Age: 58 Posts: 3,482	I have both Escom and Commodore 3.1 disk sets (3 sets in total), all of them have the workbench library on it. I can dump the install or Workbench disk in dms format for anyone to needs it if it is OK with the forum rules. Or just the missing library. Then Dr. Dude can install WB3.0 ROM, copy the library to LIBS: and then re-do the 3.1 set. PM me if you want the file in other way.

10 March 2010, 08:21	#52
papa_november Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: California Posts: 184	I had no idea 4000T ROMs worked in the 4000D. I guess there's no reason why they shouldn't. Any odd effects besides the workbench.library thing?

10 March 2010, 09:30	#54
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,861	BTW, there are 40.70 ROMs for the A4000D too, along with a few other machines as well. The reason why they sell different minor revisions for each machine is, that the 40.70 ROMs exhibited problems in certain configurations for each machine. Thus they reverted to the last revision that worked without problems for each system before 3.1 was released. You just need to get the correct 40.70 for your system if you insist on running that on your machine. If you buy a KS ROM from an Amiga retailer, you will naturally not get 40.70 unless it is for an A4000T.

10 March 2010, 16:39	#60
amigakit.com Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: www.amigakit.com Posts: 2,015	@prowler We have three desktop A4000 Desktops in use here in the office. They all have 40.70 ROMs installed. We clearly advise before selling 40.70 ROMs that the end user needs a version of AmigaOS with Workbench.library in LIBS: so how can it be "unacceptable" if we have not misrepresented the product before purchase?

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