English Amiga Board


Go Back   English Amiga Board > Support > support.Hardware

 
 
Thread Tools
Old 29 April 2010, 00:01   #1
Kakaboy
Amiga life crisis
 
Kakaboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Sydney/Australia
Age: 54
Posts: 256
Is it possible to replace fried PCMCIA connector ???

Last night I inserted a PCMCIA card adapter into the PCMCIA slot and smoke started to pour out . The PCMCIA connector fried on one of the pins .
I have tried this card once before and it did not work , so I tried again last night and the above happened .
Is it possible to replace the connector ? If so where would I get one from ?

Please dont tell my im screwed and need a new motherboard

Any help from you good people is greatly appreciated .

http://eab.abime.net/attachment.php?...2&d=1272456330
Kakaboy is offline  
Old 29 April 2010, 00:08   #2
prowler
Global Moderator
 
prowler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Sidcup, England
Posts: 10,300
See if you can get hold of a scrap (non-working) A1200 or A600 motherboard, and take the PCMCIA connector from that.

This will give you some practice at removing another PCMCIA connector before you attempt the one on your existing motherboard, to minimise the chance of lifting any pads.
prowler is offline  
Old 29 April 2010, 00:12   #3
Kakaboy
Amiga life crisis
 
Kakaboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Sydney/Australia
Age: 54
Posts: 256
Quote:
Originally Posted by prowler View Post
See if you can get hold of a scrap (non-working) A1200 or A600 motherboard, and take the PCMCIA connector from that.

This will give you some practice at removing another PCMCIA connector before you attempt the one on your existing motherboard, to minimise the chance of lifting any pads.
Thanks Prowler, have you replaced one before ? what would you rate replcement difficulty ?
Kakaboy is offline  
Old 29 April 2010, 00:26   #4
prowler
Global Moderator
 
prowler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Sidcup, England
Posts: 10,300
It will not be an easy job.

I have not replaced a PCMCIA connector before, but I have replaced 72-pin SIMM sockets, and I would rate them about the same in terms of difficulty.

You can destroy the one you are removing from your existing motherboard by carefully crushing and cutting away the plastic, so that the pins will just fall out of the motherboard when the joints are heated.

It goes not matter if you lift some of the pads from the donor motherboard whilst you are removing the replacement connector.

Then you should just clean up the pads on your existing motherboard, removing excess solder with solder wick in preference to a solder sucking tool and fit the new socket and solder it in.

Remove any flux from the board with isopropyl alcohol or methylated spirits to leave it looking clean.

It would be best to use a temperature-controlled soldering iron for the job.
prowler is offline  
Old 29 April 2010, 00:35   #5
Kakaboy
Amiga life crisis
 
Kakaboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Sydney/Australia
Age: 54
Posts: 256
Quote:
Originally Posted by prowler View Post
It would be best to use a temperature-controlled soldering iron for the job.
What about SMD soldering station . I have a temp and air flow controlled heat gun that removes and resolders smd's . Wouldnt it be easier to use this due to multiple solder joints ?

Just realised the plastic mount will not take kindly to heat gun

EDIT: I do have a very small nozzle for it so I can always test it on removing the old one and see how it fairs .
Kakaboy is offline  
Old 29 April 2010, 00:41   #6
prowler
Global Moderator
 
prowler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Sidcup, England
Posts: 10,300
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kakaboy View Post
What about SMD soldering station . I have a temp and air flow controlled heat gun that removes and resolders smd's . Wouldnt it be easier to use this due to multiple solder joints ?
Yes, this is always a preferred method if you have one.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kakaboy View Post
Just realised the plastic mount will not take kindly to heat gun
In circumstances like this, it is recommended that you mask exposed, heat-sensitive parts from the heat gun using silver foil.
prowler is offline  
Old 29 April 2010, 01:00   #7
Kakaboy
Amiga life crisis
 
Kakaboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Sydney/Australia
Age: 54
Posts: 256
Quote:
Originally Posted by prowler View Post
Yes, this is always a preferred method if you have one.



In circumstances like this, it is recommended that you mask exposed, heat-sensitive parts from the heat gun using silver foil.
Cheers Prowler .

Now on to find a connector
Kakaboy is offline  
Old 29 April 2010, 01:03   #8
fc.studio
Cat lover
 
fc.studio's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Italy
Age: 54
Posts: 804
I have an A1200 with pin 44 and 43 missed in the IDE interface. Sorry about this 'cause this Amiga works perfectly, but I believe it could never have an hard drive.
fc.studio is offline  
Old 29 April 2010, 02:21   #9
Zetr0
Ya' like it Retr0?
 
Zetr0's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 49
Posts: 9,768
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kakaboy View Post
Cheers Prowler .

Now on to find a connector
With a hot air re-work station this is relatively simple

ingredients -
  • hot air
  • solder sucker
  • patience
  • flux (paste) - I use copperlux, its awesome but by god its corrosive so CLEAN WELL!!!



Method
  • Apply 5 minutes of 280c on the underneath of the board, gently oscilating around the pcmcia post. (air pressure - 3 out of 10) LOW
  • Apply flux as you go
  • Set the hot air to 360c .. just gently oscilating the gun around the port, maintain this for about 3 minutes
  • Apply flux as you go
  • Set the hot air to 380c... keep moving the gun, you will begin to notice that the solder in the pins of the port will begin to flow...
  • suck up that solder with the solder sucker..
  • Apply flux as you go
  • Dont stay in one place to long, if you miss a suck, just got to the next one and come back in a bit.
  • On stubborn Pins -
    • Apply flux
    • with the iron at 390c add some more solder to the pin. allow it to blend properly by counting 3 seconds "1000, 2000 3000"... now suck it up.
    • if this fails try again but with flux and fine solder wick.


All I can say is go slowly and be gentel and you will save the port and board.

REMEMBER ALWAYS CLEAN, both the PCB and component. most Fluxes are corrosive so have at it with IPA / Diluted Car Screen wash - worse case washing up liquid and water!


Quote:
Originally Posted by fc.studio View Post
I have an A1200 with pin 44 and 43 missed in the IDE interface. Sorry about this 'cause this Amiga works perfectly, but I believe it could never have an hard drive.
pin 43 is GROUND and pin 44 is /TYPE (a low is ATA)

http://pinouts.ru/HD/Ata44Internal_pinout.shtml

good luck =D
Zetr0 is offline  
Old 29 April 2010, 05:13   #10
desiv
Registered User
 
desiv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Salem, OR
Posts: 1,767
My question is, what smoked?

PINs from a connector don't usually smoke....
Was it (hopefully) the PCMCIA card you used?
Or did something on the motherboard other than the connector loose it's magic smoke?
I'd carefully look at the components...

desiv
desiv is offline  
Old 29 April 2010, 05:16   #11
Kakaboy
Amiga life crisis
 
Kakaboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Sydney/Australia
Age: 54
Posts: 256
Thanks Zetro , Most informative

By rights should be able to pull the connector off in one go and clean solder afterwards .
Kakaboy is offline  
Old 29 April 2010, 05:19   #12
Kakaboy
Amiga life crisis
 
Kakaboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Sydney/Australia
Age: 54
Posts: 256
Quote:
Originally Posted by desiv View Post
My question is, what smoked?

PINs from a connector don't usually smoke....
Was it (hopefully) the PCMCIA card you used?
Or did something on the motherboard other than the connector loose it's magic smoke?
I'd carefully look at the components...

desiv
No Desiv magic smoke came from the plastic the connector is made of . The pin that runs thru shorted and bubbled the plastic directly above . Its stank the whole house out . My wife still thinks it was my flatulence
The Remainder of the pin is welded inside the PCMCIA card adapter .

Card adapter must be faulty .
Kakaboy is offline  
Old 29 April 2010, 05:24   #13
desiv
Registered User
 
desiv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Salem, OR
Posts: 1,767
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kakaboy View Post
No Desiv magic smoke came from the plastic the connector is made of . The pin that runs thru shorted and bubbled the plastic directly above .
The Remainder of the pin is welded inside the PCMCIA card adapter .

Card adapter must be faulty .
I hope so!
I find that the amount of heat required to melt/smoke plastic usually isn't to good for the electronics connected to either end of the pin.

But it could be... I've seen some seriously damaged looking electronics still work!

Good luck!

desiv
desiv is offline  
Old 29 April 2010, 06:25   #14
Kakaboy
Amiga life crisis
 
Kakaboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Sydney/Australia
Age: 54
Posts: 256
Quote:
Originally Posted by desiv View Post
I hope so!
I find that the amount of heat required to melt/smoke plastic usually isn't to good for the electronics connected to either end of the pin.

But it could be... I've seen some seriously damaged looking electronics still work!

Good luck!

desiv
Fingers crossed . A1200 still works and worked fine without smoke till I inserted the card adapter . But your right the pin burned like a fuse wire and its not exactly a fine pin either .
Kakaboy is offline  
Old 29 April 2010, 15:41   #15
Loedown
Precious & fragile things
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Victoria, Australia
Posts: 1,946
Your best bet is to look on Ebay for connectors and alike, Hong Kong is the flavour of the month or China, they usually have heaps of these sorts of things for very little and free postage.
Loedown is offline  
 


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
I think my CPU is fried (A600) Redwood support.Hardware 6 06 September 2012 01:12
Fried PSU for Amiga 500. Nikodem support.Hardware 11 22 February 2012 03:14
Need driver for Amiga 1200 pcmcia scsi connector Tallrot support.Hardware 2 03 November 2010 17:03
Fried A1200 pmc support.Hardware 10 20 September 2009 21:10
a1200 floppy drive fried? icewizard2k5 support.Hardware 5 22 March 2005 14:13

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 21:14.

Top

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Page generated in 0.12916 seconds with 13 queries