Amiga Games You Thought Were Over-rated or Under-rated

[TCD]

Thanks a lot Zetty

@StarEye
I wonder what they wrote as an explantion for the 79%. It's not that bad, but I guess they found a flaw (in their eyes) to give it that score.

[roy bates]

i think this whole thread will be about someones "personal taste in games" and with that in mind one mans/womans veiw on one or more game/s will be wildly different from person to person.

it will probably also matter what game genra the person also likes.

[Muzkat]

Overrated:

Turrican 2 (nowhere near as good as the original, with inferior graphics, weapons and music)

Underrated:

Sidewinder (one excellent, and highly creative, shooter)

[Zetr0]

Originally Posted by Muzkat

Overrated:

Turrican 2 (nowhere near as good as the original, with inferior graphics, weapons and music)

OMFG!
Burn the HERETIC!

*Ahem, my sincere apologies muzzy, it would appear that my opinion is grossly different than yours... as this is simply one of the best Amiga games, it is unfortunately for you that in this case my opinion is 100% right.... and thats just right, thats 100% internet right! which, as everyone knows is infinitely righter than anything else!

=)

In fact, you are so wrong that even Nike have added a new line of clothing to express their dismay of your comments

Originally Posted by Muzkat

Underrated:

Sidewinder (one excellent, and highly creative, shooter)

hmm.... i fear that we differ again.... in a world of horizontal shmups, this was quite average to say the most.

[TCD]

Hmm, gameplay and music (even weapons) are open for discussion, but the graphics are inferior in Turrican 2? One reason that I prefer the C64 version of Turrican 1 is that I think the conversion to the Amiga isn't that great regarding the graphics...

[Muzkat]

Now now Zetty, how can you be so sure that you are 100% right about Turrican 2 when you are 100% wrong about Gods?

I'm sorry, but for me, the biggest Amiga gaming disappointment I experienced was Turrican 2. It was far too similar to the original, and where it wasn't, it was just crap. I hated all the new weapons, the tunes didn't grab me and the sprite's new animations looked horrible (I'm talking about when he fires the continuous laser gun).

As for the graphics, well, just look at this screenshot, from the first level:



So yeah. The earth looks like puke, and the sky gradient looks like pee. It was a very poor opening level too, if I recall correctly, nowhere near as engaging as I had hoped.

I know I'm going to get flamed to high hell for this, and in the end I know I'm in the minority, but I just can't help but feel that Turrican 2 was a rushed, and very mediocre, rehash of the original, which was a much better game in my humble opinion.

[Zetr0]

Originally Posted by Muzkat

Now now Zetty, how can you be so sure that you are 100% right about Turrican 2 when you are 100% wrong about Gods?
...

Touche' my dear muzkat!



but I am still 100% internet right of course!

[TCD]

Originally Posted by Muzkat

As for the graphics, well, just look at this screenshot, from the first level:



So yeah. The earth looks like puke, and the sky gradient looks like pee. It was a very poor opening level too, if I recall correctly, nowhere near as engaging as I had hoped.

The ground looks bland and boring, the green 'tentacles' totally out of place and the blue of the background... okay, it's blue, so I shouldn't complain. Guess it boils down to personal preference as always, but since you mentioned the firing laser animation, how about the non existing surround shot animation in Turrican 1 then? Now that looks clearly like a rushed conversion to me...

Edit: Just remembered that I always thought that the colours of the status bar at the bottom look quite random in Turrican 1.

[lordofchaos]

I don't see anything wrong at all with either Turrican or Turrican II in terms of graphics sound and gameplay, that's the trouble with me sometimes, nostalgia obstructs my critical faculties. One thing I can think of is that Turrican seems harder than Turrican II but that might just be me.

[Dastardly]

I'd have to say I prefer the gfx in Turrican 2 compared to 1. The originals graphics look a bit like an 8bit pixeller's first go at 16bit to me. I also prefer the way that when you 360 the gun in Turrican 2, the whole character rotates, rather than just the fire itself. Also, the status bar in the original is rather hideous.

I can't comment on the gameplay as I haven't really played the original for any decent amount of time.

[Muzkat]

Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid

The ground looks bland and boring, the green 'tentacles' totally out of place and the blue of the background... okay, it's blue, so I shouldn't complain. Guess it boils down to personal preference as always, but since you mentioned the firing laser animation, how about the non existing surround shot animation in Turrican 1 then? Now that looks clearly like a rushed conversion to me...

Edit: Just remembered that I always thought that the colours of the status bar at the bottom look quite random in Turrican 1.

Fair points TCD, and this is all subjective of course. It's just, in my opinion, the first, sunny world in Turrican looks positively delightful. I like the light brown turf, interspersed with the weedy green tentacles that, for me, added that little artistic touch. Totally loved the simple yet pretty blue sky as well.

Oh, and I loved that boss, and that boss fight! In fact, I loved the first world from Turrican alot. It really set the tone for the game - a vibrant, colourful and compelling platform shooter that sucked you in and never let you go. The kickarse and trippy chip tunes that were playing in the background complimented it perfectly.

I liked Turrican's status bar better, too - it had a simple yet effective design, again looking pretty and colourful. Turrican 2's seems to go for that shiny steel look, but doesn't quite get there IMHO.

And your point about the gun animation has obvious merit. I just think the Turrican 2 animation looks really blocky and amateurish, and hence I prefer the static stance!

I knew I was going to get in trouble for slaying a sacred cow. Just my two cents, of course.

[TCD]

The C64 version of Turrican 1 is really a masterpiece and of course the game is still great on the Amiga, but for me it's too close to the C64 look. Turrican 2 looks quite different on the Amiga and in my opinion at least way better (even better than the 'improved' PC version). Guess that's the main point why reviewers gave it better ratings than Turrican 1, because the second part fully looks like an Amiga game

Edit: While we're at it... I'll never get why the speech on the C64 version is longer than on the Amiga.

[Lord Riton]

Didn't play the first Turrican, but i liked a lot the 2nd one, and the music was just WONDERFULL !!!!!!!!!!!!!

I remember puting the Turrican II disk in my Amiga, just to listen to it's music, with the music menu it had

[Galahad/FLT]

Originally Posted by roy bates

i think this whole thread will be about someones "personal taste in games" and with that in mind one mans/womans veiw on one or more game/s will be wildly different from person to person.

it will probably also matter what game genra the person also likes.

Sorry no.

If I see so much as a deluge of people crowing over the entire Tiertex back catalogue, theres going to be blood, lots of it, so much so, that no amount of the best washing powder will shift it from clothes, because those clothes will become 90% blood, with only 10% cotton left, thats how much blood there will be!

Grrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!

[Boo Boo]

Turrican II and its colours have realy grown on me - but im so pleased someone else mentioned puke cos its true

I once uploaded a version where a changed the copper affect to all blue, anyone got it, I lost it
but maybe just a different selection of colours would be better but the game has realy grown on me even the puke

As for Gods my counsellor tells me if I keep taking the tablets ill be able to accept others are allowed opinions to

[r0jaws]

Originally Posted by Galahad/FLT

Sorry no.

If I see so much as a deluge of people crowing over the entire Tiertex back catalogue, theres going to be blood, lots of it, so much so, that no amount of the best washing powder will shift it from clothes, because those clothes will become 90% blood, with only 10% cotton left, thats how much blood there will be!

Grrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!

The entire Amiga Catalogue? That was Thunder Blade according to THIS.
I quite liked the arcade game, may have to see if the Amiga version is any good.
Is it any good? or is it over-rated? I bet it's awesome.

[TCD]

Who checks a Sega page for that anyway?
http://hol.abime.net/hol_search.php?N_ref_developer=602

[r0jaws]

What's this Trove of information? HOL? Never heard of it! *cough*

[roy bates]

Originally Posted by Galahad/FLT

Sorry no.

If I see so much as a deluge of people crowing over the entire Tiertex back catalogue, theres going to be blood, lots of it, so much so, that no amount of the best washing powder will shift it from clothes, because those clothes will become 90% blood, with only 10% cotton left, thats how much blood there will be!

Grrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!

i better put on my best t-shirt................anyway i like frontier.monkey island.dungeon master etc etc

i was never really very much into platformers...

[fishyfish]

I preferred Turrican 2 over no.1 as well, although my opinion on both isnt drastically different. Turrican2, to me, just seemed like a fine tuned version of no.1.

For the record, the 1st level on both is a bit bland, but the secret/hidden stuff in no.2 gives it an edge. I also liked the spaceship scrolling shooter levels in no.2. more than the top to bottom scrolling leels in no.1.

No.3 also had its pros vs. the 1st 2, (technically more impressive at times), but in terms of raw gameplay didnt quite stack up.

Now, as for Thunderblade, opinions seem to vary pretty heavily. Personally I liked it, especialy at the time of release. To this day I prefer it to the megadrive version, but neither have aged well.

[Mendel]

Okay, I'm going to do it:

Underrated:

Turrican 3.

I had heard nothing but crap about this game, about how it´s too straightforward, the levels are boring, the gameplay isn´t up to the sequels level. Damnit, I´ve been blasting away and thoroughly enjoying this game for many, many hours today and yesterday. I´m not quite through the moving train with moving ball platforms bit yet but other than that, I´ve found it just challenging enough while not too devastatingly difficult.

I found it okay that I don´t have to spend too much time looking for where I am supposed to be going, yet there are still secrets to be found, mostly 1 ups. Some levels, like the swimming level, even had a bit of a maze... Oh and the alien level I even got lost there for a while.

The energy system is definitely an improvement from 1 and 2. No more trying to dodge an enemy, ending up walking in the same direction while touching the enemy and getting killed by fast draining energy. Now you just lose a bit of energy when touching it and get a couple seconds of invincibility before getting damaged again. It´s more like a Nintendo game in that respect. Also this game really pulls a few tricks that seem technically impressive. Like how did they fit all this on one floppy? How can it be so colorful looking? How are the loading times so fast, even from a floppy? Presentation values are very good overall. I also love the music in each Turrican game. This one is no exception.

I guess it´s so much different than the 1 and 2 that some people just were disappointed because of that. But I really like it as a run and gun shooter. More so than much of any other game on any platform. I like it more than any Mega Man series game for being faster paced, I like it more than any Metal Slug series game for having tighter controls.

I still like Turrican 2 more, it´s just all around awesome, not least because of the space ship part... but... Muzkat! Yes you! Take a deep breath! Now get this: I think I like Turrican 3 more than I like Turrican 1.

I´ve played through 1 and 2. Gonna finish 3 tonight. By the way I have original boxed versions of 2 and 3. And I´ve recently purchased Gunlord PM me if you can sell me a boxed Turrican 1.

[Bastich]

I prefer T1 but thats simply down to it playing first. T2 was awesome just not enough different enough from the first. I never really got into the third one.

[Bamiga2002]

Turrican 1 is the classic, Turrican 2 an improved version over the original and Turrican 3 - hmm... when you get over the feeling that it's not like the first two, play it a little to adjust to controls then you'll see it's a nice game infact (that's what happened to me).

[gimbal]

Originally Posted by fishyfish

Now, as for Thunderblade, opinions seem to vary pretty heavily. Personally I liked it, especialy at the time of release. To this day I prefer it to the megadrive version, but neither have aged well.

How can you? The Amiga version throws such a barrage of huge fireballs at you, it just isn't fair in any way. It could have been a great game actually, if it was balanced a bit. I guess these people didn't realize you weren't supposed to chuck coins into the Amiga by the bucket load.

(Arcade version was quite cool though)