AmigaOS 3.9 Boing Bag #3 - Page 3

gulliver · 06 November 2009, 15:44

More stuff updated again on Boing Bag #3

MooVid 1.6 is there to update Action(MooVid 1.3)

cosmicfrog · 06 November 2009, 16:00

links on
XADmaster V12.1a + XADmaster.key
http://www.dstoecker.eu/xadmaster.html

don`t seem to work

gulliver · 06 November 2009, 16:06

Umm.... tryed it. It works here!
It takes you to the XADmaster page where you need to select the appropiate version according to your processor and download the clients & the keyfile of course.

kolla · 06 November 2009, 16:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeterK

Thanks for this update, but I hope you've really verified that my alpha version works without obvious bugs, because I didn't get any feedback yet.

Well, here's something you probably know already - it doesnt work on 68000, at least on my minimig it simply fails to load

And here's another one... amigaguide.datatype 45.6 also crashes on 68000, allthough 45.5 works just fine. Even though 3.9 never was meant to support 68000, quite alot of the components do, and it's somewhat annoying when it's left out of the change notes when 68000 support is removed. Or perhaps people just arent aware

I'm pondering on setting up a table with all OS3.x components, revisions and requirements... hm.

prowler · 06 November 2009, 21:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by gulliver

Quote:

Originally Posted by cosmicfrog

links on
XADmaster V12.1a + XADmaster.key
http://www.dstoecker.eu/xadmaster.html

don`t seem to work

Umm.... tryed it. It works here!
It takes you to the XADmaster page where you need to select the appropiate version according to your processor and download the clients & the keyfile of course.

Yep, works here too!

Photon · 06 November 2009, 21:39

I've seen this expression before...

If someone can explain what 'boing bag' is supposed to mean, please do so in PM, I am but an apprentice when it comes to the English language...

gulliver · 06 November 2009, 23:08

@kolla

This list of software is an unofficial AmigaOS3.9 Boing Bag #3 (this is in Microsoft Windows terms like an unofficial Service Pack for that particular Amiga Operating system). The minimum requirements to use AmigaOS 3.9 clearly state that you need at least a 68020 processor.
So your complaints about 68000 incompatibilities are a little bit out of place.
Good luck anyway!

@Photon

Sorry i couldnt resist

PeterK · 06 November 2009, 23:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by kolla

>> but I hope you've really verified that my (icon.library 46.4) alpha version works without obvious bugs....
Well, here's something you probably know already - it doesnt work on 68000, at least on my minimig it simply fails to load

....

Well, that's a feature and not a bug! My libs and patches are always optimized for 68020+.

Please, ask Ratte and Doobrey for a copy of their v45.5 and then use IconBeFast to patch it. You will get v45.5.5 and that's the only exception where I substituted two 68020 instructions in IconBeFast with their 68000 equivalents. There's no speedloss because these instructions don't belong to the main loops. Just one additional remark: v45.5.5 still needs 2 kByte stack for its cache. Please use Minstack or StackAttack and in some rare cases you will even have to increase the stacksize manually. For example, when you try to load PlayCD automatically from CacheCDFS then edit the stacksize of the DosDrivers entry like CD0 from 600 to 4000 or the CD loading will freeze.

kolla · 07 November 2009, 00:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by gulliver

So your complaints about 68000 incompatibilities are a little bit out of place.

I wasnt complainging about the incompatibilities per se, I'm complaing about the lack of explicit notion about it. There's a difference. The updated Multiview works OK also 68000, even though the updated amigaguide.datatype doesnt. It's not obvious for anyone when the 68000 "support" is removed, it just happens unnotified.

gulliver · 07 November 2009, 04:43

@kolla

Okay, i am sorry i see your point. Good Luck!

alexh · 07 November 2009, 12:06

There used to be a website or a bit of software for the Amiga which had all the versions of libraries and datatypes etc. etc. both official OS and essential 3rd party. Anyone know if there still is such a thing today? Even it is not 100% upto date?

gulliver · 07 November 2009, 13:32

You probably refer to:

http://www.monkeyhouse.eclipse.co.uk/amiga/boingbag/

Let me remind you, its informations is a bit outdated.

alexh · 07 November 2009, 13:34

It was much more comprehensive than this page, which is good don't get me wrong.

gulliver · 07 November 2009, 13:49

Well this is not website, is just a post in a forum with current information.
That page is a thorough technical description, for of course, those technically inclined but, unluckily it is outdated.
It would be great if that web page could be updated with the information we have over here.

Doobrey · 07 November 2009, 14:52

OK, I've just made a patch to create icon.library 45.5 against icon.library 45.1 (from OS 3.9).
http://www.doobreynet.co.uk/files/amiga/icon45.5.pch

IIRC, it was based on icon 45.4, had a couple of 020+ instructions replaced,and the default icon settings changed to match OS 3.1 (under instruction from Herr Ratte)

gulliver · 07 November 2009, 15:15

Thanks Doobrey & Ratte for your work on icon.library 45.5.
I have 2 questions for you:

Please confirm me if this library features IconBeFast like functionality/capable and if it is romable.

Then which icon.library do people think we should put in Boing Bag 3? 46.4a from PeterK or 45.5 from Doobrey & Ratte?

gulliver · 07 November 2009, 15:18

Boing Bag #3 updated again

New version of appp.device added (3.4)!
Added icon.library 45.5 (45.5 & 46.4a are there for you to make your choice)!

cosmicfrog · 07 November 2009, 16:13

ok let me rephrase I can get to http://www.dstoecker.eu/xadmaster.html
but I can`t download xadmaster020.lha or any the rest of them i get a requester hehehe window saying
550 pub/aminet/util/arc/xadmaster020.lha no such file or directory

now I`m sure I can search aminet for the relevant files, just want confermation that ppl here can download the archives

gulliver · 07 November 2009, 16:50

Okay I changed the XADmaster links, they point to Aminet so that you dont have many more problems.

Doobrey · 07 November 2009, 17:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by gulliver

Thanks Doobrey & Ratte for your work on icon.library 45.5.
I have 2 questions for you:

Please confirm me if this library features IconBeFast like functionality/capable and if it is romable.

45.5 was made romable.(IIRC, it saved utilitybase inside its data section!)
But since it was based on 45.4, there's no IconBeFast patch in it. I don't think IconBeFast even existed at the time 45.5 was made.

IconBeFast does support 45.5 though.

Quote:

Then which icon.library do people think we should put in Boing Bag 3? 46.4a from PeterK or 45.5 from Doobrey & Ratte?

Easy.. use Peters.
IMHO,45.5 is pointless unless you use a 68000 and run WB3.1

07 November 2009, 15:18	#57
gulliver BoingBagged Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The South of nowhere Age: 46 Posts: 2,358	Boing Bag #3 updated again New version of appp.device added (3.4)! Added icon.library 45.5 (45.5 & 46.4a are there for you to make your choice)! Last edited by gulliver; 07 November 2009 at 16:05.

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06 November 2009, 15:44	#41
gulliver BoingBagged Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The South of nowhere Age: 46 Posts: 2,358	More stuff updated again on Boing Bag #3 MooVid 1.6 is there to update Action(MooVid 1.3)

06 November 2009, 16:00	#42
cosmicfrog The 1 who ribbits Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: leek, Staffs, UK Age: 56 Posts: 3,557	links on XADmaster V12.1a + XADmaster.key http://www.dstoecker.eu/xadmaster.html don`t seem to work

06 November 2009, 16:06	#43
gulliver BoingBagged Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The South of nowhere Age: 46 Posts: 2,358	Umm.... tryed it. It works here! It takes you to the XADmaster page where you need to select the appropiate version according to your processor and download the clients & the keyfile of course.

06 November 2009, 21:39	#46
Photon Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Eksjö / Sweden Posts: 5,602	I've seen this expression before... If someone can explain what 'boing bag' is supposed to mean, please do so in PM, I am but an apprentice when it comes to the English language...

06 November 2009, 23:08	#47
gulliver BoingBagged Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The South of nowhere Age: 46 Posts: 2,358	@kolla This list of software is an unofficial AmigaOS3.9 Boing Bag #3 (this is in Microsoft Windows terms like an unofficial Service Pack for that particular Amiga Operating system). The minimum requirements to use AmigaOS 3.9 clearly state that you need at least a 68020 processor. So your complaints about 68000 incompatibilities are a little bit out of place. Good luck anyway! @Photon Sorry i couldnt resist

07 November 2009, 04:43	#50
gulliver BoingBagged Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The South of nowhere Age: 46 Posts: 2,358	@kolla Okay, i am sorry i see your point. Good Luck!

07 November 2009, 12:06	#51
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,337	There used to be a website or a bit of software for the Amiga which had all the versions of libraries and datatypes etc. etc. both official OS and essential 3rd party. Anyone know if there still is such a thing today? Even it is not 100% upto date?

07 November 2009, 13:32	#52
gulliver BoingBagged Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The South of nowhere Age: 46 Posts: 2,358	You probably refer to: http://www.monkeyhouse.eclipse.co.uk/amiga/boingbag/ Let me remind you, its informations is a bit outdated.

07 November 2009, 13:34	#53
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,337	It was much more comprehensive than this page, which is good don't get me wrong.

07 November 2009, 13:49	#54
gulliver BoingBagged Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The South of nowhere Age: 46 Posts: 2,358	Well this is not website, is just a post in a forum with current information. That page is a thorough technical description, for of course, those technically inclined but, unluckily it is outdated. It would be great if that web page could be updated with the information we have over here.

07 November 2009, 14:52	#55
Doobrey Hamster tamer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Out in the woods Posts: 122	OK, I've just made a patch to create icon.library 45.5 against icon.library 45.1 (from OS 3.9). http://www.doobreynet.co.uk/files/amiga/icon45.5.pch IIRC, it was based on icon 45.4, had a couple of 020+ instructions replaced,and the default icon settings changed to match OS 3.1 (under instruction from Herr Ratte)

07 November 2009, 15:15	#56
gulliver BoingBagged Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The South of nowhere Age: 46 Posts: 2,358	Thanks Doobrey & Ratte for your work on icon.library 45.5. I have 2 questions for you: Please confirm me if this library features IconBeFast like functionality/capable and if it is romable. Then which icon.library do people think we should put in Boing Bag 3? 46.4a from PeterK or 45.5 from Doobrey & Ratte?

07 November 2009, 16:13	#58
cosmicfrog The 1 who ribbits Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: leek, Staffs, UK Age: 56 Posts: 3,557	ok let me rephrase I can get to http://www.dstoecker.eu/xadmaster.html but I can`t download xadmaster020.lha or any the rest of them i get a requester hehehe window saying 550 pub/aminet/util/arc/xadmaster020.lha no such file or directory now I`m sure I can search aminet for the relevant files, just want confermation that ppl here can download the archives

07 November 2009, 16:50	#59
gulliver BoingBagged Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The South of nowhere Age: 46 Posts: 2,358	Okay I changed the XADmaster links, they point to Aminet so that you dont have many more problems.

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