hi, n00b question. about A1200 to VGA flatscreen

lost_lemming · 23 August 2009, 12:55

Hi Im new, probably a nothing-new scenario for you guys here but, Basically, I brought down my A1200 from the loft to have a nostelgic blast. The big bulky monitor was thrown out a long time ago. I have this CTX monitor that i've been using for this PC for long time now.

Anyway, I bought this adapter from amigakit. It's a socket (no idea the name of that rectangle socket) for the back of the miggy to a VGA d-bus socket. anyway when I tried it, all i got was a blackscreen, I'm devistated! as all I wanted to do was play a few games to bring back my childhood memories

any idea? this flatscreen has its own menu setup system but it only works when it knows there's a VGA input and I just wasn't getting anything.

Loedown · 23 August 2009, 14:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by lost_lemming

Hi Im new, probably a nothing-new scenario for you guys here but, Basically, I brought down my A1200 from the loft to have a nostelgic blast. The big bulky monitor was thrown out a long time ago. I have this CTX monitor that i've been using for this PC for long time now.

Anyway, I bought this adapter from amigakit. It's a socket (no idea the name of that rectangle socket) for the back of the miggy to a VGA d-bus socket. anyway when I tried it, all i got was a blackscreen, I'm devistated! as all I wanted to do was play a few games to bring back my childhood memories

any idea? this flatscreen has its own menu setup system but it only works when it knows there's a VGA input and I just wasn't getting anything.

Greetings,
It will relate to what the Amiga can output Vs what the monitor can display, standard Amiga output is 15 Khz, scandoubled is 31 Khz, check the monitor specs, it won't go that low. Look around the board for similar issues.

Paul

lost_lemming · 23 August 2009, 15:25

ok just found out it's

Horizontal: 22to 80kHz
Vertical: 59 to 75Hz
damnit. Okay I'll search around. I guess I'll need a another monitor

PowerPie5000 · 23 August 2009, 16:36

I am quite sure there are some old "multisync" PC monitors that work ok without a scandoubler/flicker fixer .... i know they display workbench fine but i *think* there is an issue running games on them without a scan doubler?

Charlie · 23 August 2009, 16:54

Hello lost_lemming, welcome to the EAB - I hope you enjoy your stay.

Yes, probably the biggest issue that comes up when recommissioning an Amiga is 'how in the hell do I get any output?'

For simplicity's sake:
No modern monitor can scan low enough to display the Amiga's output. (slight lie)
So...
-Use the TV-out (horrid)
-Pick up an old-style monitor - C= ones obviosuly, but an old multisync or Acorn monitor will do. (you'll need a Amiga-15pin adaptor)
-VGA-Scart lead to a TV / monitor that has such an input (not bad, some TV's don't like Amiga SCART leads)
-fleaBay has lots of 'av-mixer' boxes that can sort out the signals for you. Ask for advice here before you buy.
-Scan-doublers/flicker-fixers are available (just) - internal & external. These up the Amiga's output to a range modern monitors can lock onto.
-Buy an Indivision. Not cheap, but by far the best output & available new.

Then you get into home-brew projects if you feel like a little soldering...
-S-Video out hack. Good if not the best quality (I bought mine from a fellow forum member)
-There's also a recent thread about an all-singing-and-dancing external upgrade

I hope the above is a useful start to you plans.

Regards,

fitzsteve · 23 August 2009, 16:59

Hi I just picked up a 17inch JVC LCD TV off of ebay for £20, I use it with the scart lead and its a superb picture.

Its widescreen as well so games with the tops/bottoms chopped off can zoom up full screen. I am really pleased with it anyway!

Steve.

Heres a pic:

FOL · 23 August 2009, 17:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by fitzsteve

Hi I just picked up a 17inch JVC LCD TV off of ebay for £20, I use it with the scart lead and its a superb picture.

Its widescreen as well so games with the tops/bottoms chopped off can zoom up full screen. I am really pleased with it anyway!

Steve.

Heres a pic:

Not bad,

.

Not 1 of JVC's most reliable sets. I used to have the same chassis in my 26" had to repair it atleast 6 times,

.

I tell you what would be nice, is some type of app that zooms to visable gfx on the screen. We have this in PSPUAE, its great having the screen full instead of those stupid black borders.

(On Topic), Indivision is by far the best option, as it give crystal clear picture at any resolution supported. Obviously LCD's need to be at their native resolution to be crystal clear.

illy5603 · 23 August 2009, 21:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by PowerPie5000

I am quite sure there are some old "multisync" PC monitors that work ok without a scandoubler/flicker fixer .... i know they display workbench fine but i *think* there is an issue running games on them without a scan doubler?

Correct:

I have this adapter and it worked great for workbench in "Multiscan - Productivity" mode but you have to get that set up first. I connected it to a TV with the Composite cable to get it set up and then connected the adapter up to a multiscan (doesn't need to be multisync, they are more money and more rare) monitor.

You will not be able to play games from it, but using the utility "modePro" I was able to get all of my workbench stuff promoted correctly.

Eventually you may want to get the Indivision AGA board installed and you can run whatever resolution you want on whatever monitor you want. Well some TV's with VGA input have trouble if they are picky but monitors intended for PC use should work.

prowler · 23 August 2009, 21:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by fitzsteve

Hi I just picked up a 17inch JVC LCD TV off of ebay for £20, I use it with the scart lead and its a superb picture.

Hi Steve,

Would that be the same type of SCART lead as the one you sold me with the A500?

Looks good!

lost_lemming · 23 August 2009, 21:30

thanks guys, appreciate the replies.

as I still want to keep this flatscreen than buying another one I;ll think i;ll save my pennies and then buy one of these double scanners

lost_lemming · 23 August 2009, 21:31

Oh and, I have a soldering iron and wire but my skills are rubbish. I don't have to do any soldering do I? can't stand all the techy stuff I'm not that type of person

prowler · 23 August 2009, 21:39

I think Amigakit can actually supply them fitted. However, I'm not sure if that service applies to an Amiga you already own.

Those guys are usually watching these threads, so you should get an answer soon.

illy5603 · 23 August 2009, 21:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by lost_lemming

Oh and, I have a soldering iron and wire but my skills are rubbish. I don't have to do any soldering do I? can't stand all the techy stuff I'm not that type of person

Indivision AGA is easy to install, no problems there. Well worth it if you really want to enjoy the system with no fuss and great detail.

FOL · 23 August 2009, 21:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by prowler

I think Amigakit can actually supply them fitted. However, I'm not sure if that service applies to an Amiga you already own.

Those guys are usually watching these threads, so you should get an answer soon.

Yes we can offer this service,

.

We promptly call round your house and install it in under 30 mins,

.
Nah only joking, but yes we offer a collection (if I remember correctly, matt and clear this up if im wrong), install and return service.

fitzsteve · 23 August 2009, 22:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by prowler

Hi Steve,

Would that be the same type of SCART lead as the one you sold me with the A500?

Looks good!

Yep thats the same type of lead.

prowler · 23 August 2009, 22:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by fitzsteve

Yep thats the same type of lead.

Thanks, mate!

I wasn't sure whether it would drive an LCD TV.

fitzsteve · 23 August 2009, 22:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by prowler

Thanks, mate!

I wasn't sure whether it would drive an LCD TV.

As long as the TV has a scart socket you'll be fine. I think the Amiga also has a component video output (yellow phono socket) some LCD TV's also support that.

prowler · 23 August 2009, 22:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by fitzsteve

As long as the TV has a scart socket you'll be fine. I think the Amiga also has a component video output (yellow phono socket) some LCD TV's also support that.

Thanks! That's good to know.

rkauer · 24 August 2009, 17:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by fitzsteve

<SNIP>. I think the Amiga also has a component video output (yellow phono socket) some LCD TV's also support that.

Slight correction: A600 and A1200 have composite output (yellow RCA socket). Component (YUV, also known as Y'UV, YCbCr, YPbPr) is a completely different beast.

FOL · 24 August 2009, 20:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by rkauer

Slight correction: A600 and A1200 have composite output (yellow RCA socket). Component (YUV, also known as Y'UV, YCbCr, YPbPr) is a completely different beast.

Indeed, but in his defence. I have seen it reffered to as Component over here,

.

23 August 2009, 12:55	#1
lost_lemming Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Birmingham Age: 38 Posts: 391	hi, n00b question. about A1200 to VGA flatscreen Hi Im new, probably a nothing-new scenario for you guys here but, Basically, I brought down my A1200 from the loft to have a nostelgic blast. The big bulky monitor was thrown out a long time ago. I have this CTX monitor that i've been using for this PC for long time now. Anyway, I bought this adapter from amigakit. It's a socket (no idea the name of that rectangle socket) for the back of the miggy to a VGA d-bus socket. anyway when I tried it, all i got was a blackscreen, I'm devistated! as all I wanted to do was play a few games to bring back my childhood memories any idea? this flatscreen has its own menu setup system but it only works when it knows there's a VGA input and I just wasn't getting anything.

23 August 2009, 16:59	#6
fitzsteve Professional slacker! Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kent, UK Age: 44 Posts: 6,683	Hi I just picked up a 17inch JVC LCD TV off of ebay for £20, I use it with the scart lead and its a superb picture. Its widescreen as well so games with the tops/bottoms chopped off can zoom up full screen. I am really pleased with it anyway! Steve. Heres a pic: Last edited by fitzsteve; 04 February 2011 at 18:35.

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23 August 2009, 15:25	#3
lost_lemming Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Birmingham Age: 38 Posts: 391	ok just found out it's Horizontal: 22to 80kHz Vertical: 59 to 75Hz damnit. Okay I'll search around. I guess I'll need a another monitor

23 August 2009, 16:36	#4
PowerPie5000 Miggy Ate My Hamster! Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 1,566	I am quite sure there are some old "multisync" PC monitors that work ok without a scandoubler/flicker fixer .... i know they display workbench fine but i think there is an issue running games on them without a scan doubler?

23 August 2009, 16:54	#5
Charlie . . Mouse . . Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Nowhere Age: 55 Posts: 1,792	Hello lost_lemming, welcome to the EAB - I hope you enjoy your stay. Yes, probably the biggest issue that comes up when recommissioning an Amiga is 'how in the hell do I get any output?' For simplicity's sake: No modern monitor can scan low enough to display the Amiga's output. (slight lie) So... -Use the TV-out (horrid) -Pick up an old-style monitor - C= ones obviosuly, but an old multisync or Acorn monitor will do. (you'll need a Amiga-15pin adaptor) -VGA-Scart lead to a TV / monitor that has such an input (not bad, some TV's don't like Amiga SCART leads) -fleaBay has lots of 'av-mixer' boxes that can sort out the signals for you. Ask for advice here before you buy. -Scan-doublers/flicker-fixers are available (just) - internal & external. These up the Amiga's output to a range modern monitors can lock onto. -Buy an Indivision. Not cheap, but by far the best output & available new. Then you get into home-brew projects if you feel like a little soldering... -S-Video out hack. Good if not the best quality (I bought mine from a fellow forum member) -There's also a recent thread about an all-singing-and-dancing external upgrade I hope the above is a useful start to you plans. Regards,

23 August 2009, 21:30	#10
lost_lemming Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Birmingham Age: 38 Posts: 391	thanks guys, appreciate the replies. as I still want to keep this flatscreen than buying another one I;ll think i;ll save my pennies and then buy one of these double scanners

23 August 2009, 21:31	#11
lost_lemming Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Birmingham Age: 38 Posts: 391	Oh and, I have a soldering iron and wire but my skills are rubbish. I don't have to do any soldering do I? can't stand all the techy stuff I'm not that type of person

23 August 2009, 21:39	#12
prowler Global Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sidcup, England Posts: 10,300	I think Amigakit can actually supply them fitted. However, I'm not sure if that service applies to an Amiga you already own. Those guys are usually watching these threads, so you should get an answer soon.

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