Sensible World Of Soccer

mai · 03 April 2009, 18:46

http://hol.abime.net/1871
SENSIBLE WORLD OF SOCCER
Copyright (C) 1994 Sensible Software (10/1/1995)
Copyright (C) 1994 Chris Chapman (10/1/1995)
VERSION 63 (DISK 1)
VERSION 62 (DISK 2)
(10/01/95 05.00PM) ASM 10/1/1995
This is the german version of "SWOS", so you can add german language.

mai · 03 April 2009, 21:07

Just found out, probably SWOS takes advantage of the AGA chipset.
If you play the game in WinUAE A1200 config you can see a spinning icon on the top right corner, this spinning icon dont appears in WinUAE A500/600 config, also not with much memory.
So it seems to be a AGA feature.

Gordon · 03 April 2009, 22:01

Also rotating adboards, names in top corner all the time and diffferent pitches. on my 600 i only get one pitch (horizonatal) but on 1200 i get horizonatal, vertical, diamond, square and some other

mai · 03 April 2009, 22:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by gordonbennett

Also rotating adboards, names in top corner all the time and diffferent pitches. on my 600 i only get one pitch (horizonatal) but on 1200 i get horizonatal, vertical, diamond, square and some other

Thank you for checking and confirming evan more features in AGA-mode.

So it seems the game takes really advantage of AGA chipset.

Hungry Horace · 03 April 2009, 22:34

are you sure its not just memory requirement rather than an AGA feature?

Retro-Nerd · 03 April 2009, 22:44

It would guess that it enhances the game with more than 1 MB of Chipram. Has anybody a manual scan?

Graham Humphrey · 03 April 2009, 22:44

I'm sure I remember reading it's an AGA thing, but could be wrong I guess.

Hungry Horace · 03 April 2009, 22:47

i checked, and all the extras (highlights, rotating boards etc) are present on ECS mode with enough ram, as i suspected.

not the best way of showing it, but see pics-

http://pspuae.condor.serverpro3.com/...swos_ecs_1.png
http://pspuae.condor.serverpro3.com/...swos_ecs_2.png
http://pspuae.condor.serverpro3.com/...swos_ecs_3.png
http://pspuae.condor.serverpro3.com/...swos_ecs_4.png

Retro-Nerd · 03 April 2009, 22:48

What triggers the enhanced graphics? More chip or fast/slowram, or both?

Hungry Horace · 03 April 2009, 22:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

What triggers the enhanced graphics? More chip- or slowram, or both?

i didnt check. i just took my usual setup and turned it to ECS instead.

i would suspect just 2meg + (any type)

Gordon · 03 April 2009, 22:49

hungary horace i think maybe its to do with 3.1rom. i have real amiga 600 2.1rom with 2mb chip and 4mb fast ram and i dont have extras. i have tried whdload versions, standard HD version and normal floppy

Hungry Horace · 03 April 2009, 22:54

i was able to do the same thing with kick 2.05 - all extras still there.

i'm only testing with whdload atm, but i trust the slave enough to be confident the extras will wont work on a lower setting than they did originally.

Gordon · 03 April 2009, 22:56

Very strange becuase i tired so many things with this to get my 600 to have this. I also notice it says you have 020 processor too in your screenie.

Hungry Horace · 03 April 2009, 22:57

020 doesnt make it AGA

Gordon · 03 April 2009, 22:59

I know mate, just mentioning that becuase the 600 didnt come with 020 processor. (which is what i spent so long trying with)

Hungry Horace · 03 April 2009, 23:02

yep, but just checking, ecs setup with 68000 and 2 chip 8 meg fast and the whdload still loads the full version.

Hungry Horace · 03 April 2009, 23:11

right, i had a quick look using the 'old' HD installer, and it's quite easy to make that revert to the non-enhanced version.

GordonBennett, i recommend you stick to the WHDload version on your A600. you seem to have a good enough setup with that, that you should be able to get the enhanced mode.

I'm tired of looking at this now (sorry!) but i think it's confirmed in my eyes that the enhancements are not AGA specific, thus no changes needed to HOL (on-topic!)

i'm certainly not getting out my original disks to test it further!

Gordon · 03 April 2009, 23:11

Well i tried similar as i say just mine is 4mb fast PCMCIA and i never got he extras. I have 2 600s and both same. So maybe it needs 8mb from yuor test? Seems weird as its only 2 disc game

edit ok.

Hungry Horace · 03 April 2009, 23:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by gordonbennett

Well i tried similar as i say just mine is 4mb fast PCMCIA and i never got he extras. I have 2 600s and both same. So maybe it needs 8mb from yuor test? Seems weird as its only 2 disc game

edit ok.

i also got it working whdload, 68000, 2 fast 2 chip.

maybe pcmcia ram is not working properly? would/could this be detected as a different 'type' of ram?

mai · 03 April 2009, 23:27

With the disk-version i dont get advanced features in WinUAE A600 mode,
i have tried with 2mb chip, 8 fast, kick3.0.
I think, where must be AGA features.
Hex-viewing the main unpacked executable:

03 April 2009, 18:46	#1
mai Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Federativnaya Respublika Germaniya Posts: 4,994	Sensible World Of Soccer http://hol.abime.net/1871 SENSIBLE WORLD OF SOCCER Copyright (C) 1994 Sensible Software (10/1/1995) Copyright (C) 1994 Chris Chapman (10/1/1995) VERSION 63 (DISK 1) VERSION 62 (DISK 2) (10/01/95 05.00PM) ASM 10/1/1995 This is the german version of "SWOS", so you can add german language.

03 April 2009, 23:27	#20
mai Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Federativnaya Respublika Germaniya Posts: 4,994	With the disk-version i dont get advanced features in WinUAE A600 mode, i have tried with 2mb chip, 8 fast, kick3.0. I think, where must be AGA features. Hex-viewing the main unpacked executable: Last edited by mai; 09 September 2019 at 23:11.

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03 April 2009, 21:07	#2
mai Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Federativnaya Respublika Germaniya Posts: 4,994	Just found out, probably SWOS takes advantage of the AGA chipset. If you play the game in WinUAE A1200 config you can see a spinning icon on the top right corner, this spinning icon dont appears in WinUAE A500/600 config, also not with much memory. So it seems to be a AGA feature.

03 April 2009, 22:01	#3
Gordon Settler Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Serf City Posts: 1,760	Also rotating adboards, names in top corner all the time and diffferent pitches. on my 600 i only get one pitch (horizonatal) but on 1200 i get horizonatal, vertical, diamond, square and some other

03 April 2009, 22:34	#5
Hungry Horace Wipe-Out Enthusiast Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: . Age: 43 Posts: 2,538	are you sure its not just memory requirement rather than an AGA feature?

03 April 2009, 22:44	#6
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,436	It would guess that it enhances the game with more than 1 MB of Chipram. Has anybody a manual scan?

03 April 2009, 22:44	#7
Graham Humphrey Moderator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Norwich, Norfolk, UK Age: 37 Posts: 11,167	I'm sure I remember reading it's an AGA thing, but could be wrong I guess.

03 April 2009, 22:47	#8
Hungry Horace Wipe-Out Enthusiast Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: . Age: 43 Posts: 2,538	i checked, and all the extras (highlights, rotating boards etc) are present on ECS mode with enough ram, as i suspected. not the best way of showing it, but see pics- http://pspuae.condor.serverpro3.com/...swos_ecs_1.png http://pspuae.condor.serverpro3.com/...swos_ecs_2.png http://pspuae.condor.serverpro3.com/...swos_ecs_3.png http://pspuae.condor.serverpro3.com/...swos_ecs_4.png

03 April 2009, 22:48	#9
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,436	What triggers the enhanced graphics? More chip or fast/slowram, or both?

03 April 2009, 22:49	#11
Gordon Settler Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Serf City Posts: 1,760	hungary horace i think maybe its to do with 3.1rom. i have real amiga 600 2.1rom with 2mb chip and 4mb fast ram and i dont have extras. i have tried whdload versions, standard HD version and normal floppy

03 April 2009, 22:54	#12
Hungry Horace Wipe-Out Enthusiast Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: . Age: 43 Posts: 2,538	i was able to do the same thing with kick 2.05 - all extras still there. i'm only testing with whdload atm, but i trust the slave enough to be confident the extras will wont work on a lower setting than they did originally.

03 April 2009, 22:56	#13
Gordon Settler Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Serf City Posts: 1,760	Very strange becuase i tired so many things with this to get my 600 to have this. I also notice it says you have 020 processor too in your screenie.

03 April 2009, 22:57	#14
Hungry Horace Wipe-Out Enthusiast Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: . Age: 43 Posts: 2,538	020 doesnt make it AGA

03 April 2009, 22:59	#15
Gordon Settler Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Serf City Posts: 1,760	I know mate, just mentioning that becuase the 600 didnt come with 020 processor. (which is what i spent so long trying with)

03 April 2009, 23:02	#16
Hungry Horace Wipe-Out Enthusiast Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: . Age: 43 Posts: 2,538	yep, but just checking, ecs setup with 68000 and 2 chip 8 meg fast and the whdload still loads the full version.

03 April 2009, 23:11	#17
Hungry Horace Wipe-Out Enthusiast Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: . Age: 43 Posts: 2,538	right, i had a quick look using the 'old' HD installer, and it's quite easy to make that revert to the non-enhanced version. GordonBennett, i recommend you stick to the WHDload version on your A600. you seem to have a good enough setup with that, that you should be able to get the enhanced mode. I'm tired of looking at this now (sorry!) but i think it's confirmed in my eyes that the enhancements are not AGA specific, thus no changes needed to HOL (on-topic!) i'm certainly not getting out my original disks to test it further!

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