Amiga 4000/40 with CF Drive

avongil · 25 August 2018, 01:06

Hi, I got a working awesome Amiga 4000/40 with an 060 50mhz accelerator and a video toaster locally. It works fine, but I want to boot off a CF card.

I managed to partition and format my 4gb CF card in Winuae and it boots fine however when I plug it in my A4000 it will not boot. All I get is a gray screen.

I'm a bit baffled too, I expected to get the kickstart 3.1 screen when I unplugged all the drives in the computer. The computer will not boot up at all unless the IDE drive is connected. All I get is a gray screen.

It took me forever to get this CF card setup in Winuae and it is frustrating that I got it that far but can't use it in the real thing!

Any help will be appreciated.

grelbfarlk · 25 August 2018, 02:30

When you try to boot with the HDD disconnected, did you remove the IDE cable as well?

avongil · 25 August 2018, 02:38

Not from the board, just from the IDE Drive. I also removed the scsi drive cable from the second hard drive. The 68060 processor card also has a scsi interface.

I could try removing the IDE and SCSI cable from the board and trying again.
Not sure how this could be any different, but il try anything.

pipper · 25 August 2018, 02:39

Do you maybe need 68060.library?

grelbfarlk · 25 August 2018, 02:50

Well he should be getting the ROM screen. That's why I ask if he removed the IDE cable. Next question which 060 card is it? If you don't have any drives connected to it, you might want to try disabling the SCSI adapter. I would say unplug the IDE cable and see if it makes a difference. I take it there is no activity on the HDD activity LED?

Also what happens if on first turn-on if you hold down both mouse buttons, I take it you don't get the early startup menu?

avongil · 25 August 2018, 02:50

Where do I place the library? I can find it in the working workbench.

grelbfarlk · 25 August 2018, 02:55

That would go into sys:libs/ But if you can't get to the early startup screen then it's freezing long before it would get to the point of loading it.

avongil · 25 August 2018, 02:56

Accelerator is:
T-Rex-II - GVP (Great Valley Products)

Two Mouse buttons on power up - nothing. I held them for 30 seconds.

The funny thing is, that there was hd activity when I plugged the CF in the first time, but just a gray screen.

grelbfarlk · 25 August 2018, 02:57

What filesystem did you put on the CF? Just normal FFS?

Also was there a SCSI drive plugged into the T-Rex II before? I would guess it's hanging up on the T-Rex SCSI.

avongil · 25 August 2018, 02:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by grelbfarlk

That would go into sys:libs/ But if you can't get to the early startup screen then it's freezing long before it would get to the point of loading it.

The funny thing is, it boots fine as long as the IDE cable is plugged into the original drive. If disconnected, it just sits at that gray screen.

avongil · 25 August 2018, 02:58

yes Normal file system. I used a 4 GB card so I didnt have to get fancy.

grelbfarlk · 25 August 2018, 03:04

Right so, how did you partition it? Did you keep the boot partition below 500MB? Also look at jumper JP6 on the T-Rex.
The circled one in the lower right corner of this picture. Is it installed or off?

avongil · 25 August 2018, 03:06

I partitioned the boot to 2 GB. As for the jumper, I will have to check tomorrow. I could not find any literature on the card. What doe JP6 do?

grelbfarlk · 25 August 2018, 03:10

That's Active Termination On/Off.
The jumpers here should be more or less correct:
http://www.bigbookofamigahardware.co...ct.aspx?id=255

http://www.gregdonner.org/gvp4060/A4000DT-060.pdf

The Trex-II is a great card, it's just has one little flaky (ok more than one) feature, the stock ROM on it doesn't like to boot anything other than Filesystems in the Kickstart. In that it ignores RDB written to the drive, there is a fix for this or various workarounds. The real fix is to patch the ROM but you can also write PFS to a custom Kickstart. Or loadmodule PFS after booting off of a small boot drive.

avongil · 25 August 2018, 03:13

Ok thanks, I will troubleshoot a bit more tomorrow. Thank you!!!

avongil · 25 August 2018, 03:33

One more question, How do I patch the ROM on the card?
I don't see anything replaceable?

avongil · 25 August 2018, 04:10

Wow, they are still around. How awesome.
http://www.gvp-m.com

grelbfarlk · 25 August 2018, 04:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by avongil

Wow, they are still around. How awesome.
http://www.gvp-m.com

Not really, they just are on the 30 year hosting plan.

Dynamic_Computi · 25 August 2018, 05:19

Make sure your CF card adapter is set to master, and try it as the only device on the IDE channel. Many of them are fussy on the Amiga IDE working in a master/slave setup.
If I try to have my CF as master and my DVD as slave, it won't even try to boot. But if I have my 10 gig hard drive as master and my CF card as slave, it works. They are just feisty sometimes

AMIGASYSTEM · 25 August 2018, 08:46

On WinUAE on the CF you have configured the HDController "Commodore A600/A1200/A4000 IDE" in Chipset Extra you have set "A4000"

25 August 2018, 01:06	#1
avongil Registered User Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: Easton Posts: 81	Amiga 4000/40 with CF Drive Hi, I got a working awesome Amiga 4000/40 with an 060 50mhz accelerator and a video toaster locally. It works fine, but I want to boot off a CF card. I managed to partition and format my 4gb CF card in Winuae and it boots fine however when I plug it in my A4000 it will not boot. All I get is a gray screen. I'm a bit baffled too, I expected to get the kickstart 3.1 screen when I unplugged all the drives in the computer. The computer will not boot up at all unless the IDE drive is connected. All I get is a gray screen. It took me forever to get this CF card setup in Winuae and it is frustrating that I got it that far but can't use it in the real thing! Any help will be appreciated.

25 August 2018, 03:33	#16
avongil Registered User Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: Easton Posts: 81	One more question, How do I patch the ROM on the card? I don't see anything replaceable? Last edited by avongil; 25 August 2018 at 04:03.

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25 August 2018, 02:30	#2
grelbfarlk Registered User Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: USA Posts: 2,910	When you try to boot with the HDD disconnected, did you remove the IDE cable as well?

25 August 2018, 02:38	#3
avongil Registered User Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: Easton Posts: 81	Not from the board, just from the IDE Drive. I also removed the scsi drive cable from the second hard drive. The 68060 processor card also has a scsi interface. I could try removing the IDE and SCSI cable from the board and trying again. Not sure how this could be any different, but il try anything.

25 August 2018, 02:39	#4
pipper Registered User Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: San Jose Posts: 653	Do you maybe need 68060.library?

25 August 2018, 02:50	#5
grelbfarlk Registered User Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: USA Posts: 2,910	Well he should be getting the ROM screen. That's why I ask if he removed the IDE cable. Next question which 060 card is it? If you don't have any drives connected to it, you might want to try disabling the SCSI adapter. I would say unplug the IDE cable and see if it makes a difference. I take it there is no activity on the HDD activity LED? Also what happens if on first turn-on if you hold down both mouse buttons, I take it you don't get the early startup menu?

25 August 2018, 02:55	#7
grelbfarlk Registered User Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: USA Posts: 2,910	That would go into sys:libs/ But if you can't get to the early startup screen then it's freezing long before it would get to the point of loading it.

25 August 2018, 02:56	#8
avongil Registered User Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: Easton Posts: 81	Accelerator is: T-Rex-II - GVP (Great Valley Products) Two Mouse buttons on power up - nothing. I held them for 30 seconds. The funny thing is, that there was hd activity when I plugged the CF in the first time, but just a gray screen.

25 August 2018, 02:57	#9
grelbfarlk Registered User Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: USA Posts: 2,910	What filesystem did you put on the CF? Just normal FFS? Also was there a SCSI drive plugged into the T-Rex II before? I would guess it's hanging up on the T-Rex SCSI.

25 August 2018, 02:58	#11
avongil Registered User Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: Easton Posts: 81	yes Normal file system. I used a 4 GB card so I didnt have to get fancy.

25 August 2018, 03:04	#12
grelbfarlk Registered User Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: USA Posts: 2,910	Right so, how did you partition it? Did you keep the boot partition below 500MB? Also look at jumper JP6 on the T-Rex. The circled one in the lower right corner of this picture. Is it installed or off?

25 August 2018, 03:06	#13
avongil Registered User Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: Easton Posts: 81	I partitioned the boot to 2 GB. As for the jumper, I will have to check tomorrow. I could not find any literature on the card. What doe JP6 do?

25 August 2018, 03:10	#14
grelbfarlk Registered User Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: USA Posts: 2,910	That's Active Termination On/Off. The jumpers here should be more or less correct: http://www.bigbookofamigahardware.co...ct.aspx?id=255 http://www.gregdonner.org/gvp4060/A4000DT-060.pdf The Trex-II is a great card, it's just has one little flaky (ok more than one) feature, the stock ROM on it doesn't like to boot anything other than Filesystems in the Kickstart. In that it ignores RDB written to the drive, there is a fix for this or various workarounds. The real fix is to patch the ROM but you can also write PFS to a custom Kickstart. Or loadmodule PFS after booting off of a small boot drive.

25 August 2018, 03:13	#15
avongil Registered User Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: Easton Posts: 81	Ok thanks, I will troubleshoot a bit more tomorrow. Thank you!!!

25 August 2018, 04:10	#17
avongil Registered User Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: Easton Posts: 81	Wow, they are still around. How awesome. http://www.gvp-m.com

25 August 2018, 05:19	#19
Dynamic_Computi 10MARC Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: Tucson, AZ, USA Posts: 214	Make sure your CF card adapter is set to master, and try it as the only device on the IDE channel. Many of them are fussy on the Amiga IDE working in a master/slave setup. If I try to have my CF as master and my DVD as slave, it won't even try to boot. But if I have my 10 gig hard drive as master and my CF card as slave, it works. They are just feisty sometimes

25 August 2018, 08:46	#20
AMIGASYSTEM Registered User Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Brindisi (Italy) Age: 70 Posts: 8,252	On WinUAE on the CF you have configured the HDController "Commodore A600/A1200/A4000 IDE" in Chipset Extra you have set "A4000"

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