Polish contributions - Page 4

TCD · 19 April 2023, 09:44

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Originally Posted by rygar

To be honest all entries of "Fortuna", "Kolo Fortuny" etc. are total mess.

Glad you said that

Thank you for posting the info about them

Also thanks to NPI for updating the entries

rygar · 19 April 2023, 11:52

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Originally Posted by NPI

Also Rygar, can you make an .adf of Geografia 1.0 from this compilation?

ADFs created from CD in ZONE

NPI · 19 April 2023, 12:16

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Originally Posted by rygar

ADFs created from CD in ZONE

Thanks, but what I wanted is the 1.0 version, that can be found on the compilation. I tried to make an adf myself but it didn't worked for me for some reason (I have this compilation).

rygar · 19 April 2023, 23:27

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Originally Posted by NPI

Thanks, but what I wanted is the 1.0 version, that can be found on the compilation. I tried to make an adf myself but it didn't worked for me for some reason (I have this compilation).

I just compared files on CD and all files have identical CRCs. I think there are 2 catalogs becuse game can be run directly from CD. So there's no Geografia v1.0.

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NPI · 20 April 2023, 00:13

The Geografia 1.0 I was thinking about is this one:

https://www.mobygames.com/game/19960...ia-polski-v10/

this is the one you uploaded:

https://hol.abime.net/6703

EDIT: The Geografia 1.0 can't work without the 2.0 disk, so it will always be 2.0 version for me. It doesn't matter as they are actually not that different, no need for a special entry (like on mobygames).

Plus I can't be bothered with it.

What is the BIRD collection?

rygar · 20 April 2023, 00:31

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Originally Posted by NPI

The Geografia I was thinking about is this one:

https://www.mobygames.com/game/19960...ia-polski-v10/

this is the one you uploaded:

https://hol.abime.net/6703

But it doesn't matter, really. What is the BIRD collection?

Sorry for that. I noticed my error and removed links.
BIRD collection you can find on FTP Collection\Compilation\Bird
It's 35CDs full of software (lot of Polish one). This compilation was created by peoples who trade amiga stuff "on streets" in '90 in Poland.
Quite uniqe collection.

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Originally Posted by NPI

The Geografia 1.0 I was thinking about is this one:
https://www.mobygames.com/game/19960...ia-polski-v10/
EDIT: The Geografia 1.0 can't work without the 2.0 disk, so it will always be 2.0 version for me. It doesn't matter as they are actually not that different, no need for a special entry (like on mobygames).

On MobyGames screens show v1.0 so for now it's MIA

NPI · 20 April 2023, 00:36

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Originally Posted by rygar

Sorry for that. I noticed my error and removed links.
BIRD collection you can find on FTP Collection\Compilation\Bird
It's 35CDs full of software (lot of Polish one). This compilation was created by peoples who trade amiga stuff "on streets" in '90 in Poland.
Preaty uniqe collection.

On MobyGames screens show v1.0 so for now it's MIA

Nah it's ok, I edited my post. I have sent the TSS compilation to Karsa on mobygames, somehow he made 1.0 works, but when I look more closely it's not much different than the 2.0 version, so no point for it

rygar · 20 April 2023, 22:55

Let's clean some Wheel of Fortune entries

To add -> Fortuna 1993 Publisher: B. B.
Review in Top Secret 16 page 8
http://retrostories.pl/gra/kolo-fortuny/
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Fortuna 2000
https://hol.abime.net/6844
To add -> Developer: TAIR Chorzów
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Ko?o Szcz??cia
https://hol.abime.net/6659
To add -> Developer: Fatima Production
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To add -> Ko?o Fortuny 1993 Publisher: Q.U.S. Soft
https://www.mobygames.com/game/67741/ko%C5%82o-fortuny/
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To add -> Ko?o Fortuny 1992
Publisher: Rookies/ Gametek
Developer: Califon Productions
https://hol.abime.net/2743
Glücksrad - Gametek [1991] (German) and Ko?o Fortuny - Califon Prod (Polish) is same game - translated and with polish special characters but Y and Z are still swapped on keyboard. Title screen is slightly modified.

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TCD · 21 April 2023, 07:31

I've added the two developers. That 'Official Amiga Seal Of Quality' on the last one... Don't think that Nintendo would have been too happy about it if they found out

NPI · 21 April 2023, 18:01

The Rookies' Kolo Fortuny looks like bootleg/hack rather than an official release.

Also, I can't find B.B. and Q.U.S. Soft's versions.

rygar · 23 April 2023, 22:40

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Originally Posted by NPI

The Rookies' Kolo Fortuny looks like bootleg/hack rather than an official release.

Also, I can't find B.B. and Q.U.S. Soft's versions.

Take a look at pictures i provided. Rookies version is official release. On box you can spot GameTek logo.

B.B. you can find here -> https://thecompany.pl/gra/Fortuna

Q.U.S. is MIA but on mobygames are screenshots from game so it exists somewhere

Don_Adan · 23 April 2023, 23:35

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Originally Posted by rygar

Take a look at pictures i provided. Rookies version is official release. On box you can spot GameTek logo.

B.B. you can find here -> https://thecompany.pl/gra/Fortuna

Q.U.S. is MIA but on mobygames are screenshots from game so it exists somewhere

For me Rookies is very special pirate version of Glücksrad game only. Someone created even VHS box for this pirate version. As "legal" version it can be sold in Poland for more money. Very smart.

rygar · 24 April 2023, 00:12

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Originally Posted by Don_Adan

For me Rookies is very special pirate version of Glücksrad game only. Someone created even VHS box for this pirate version. As "legal" version it can be sold in Poland for more money. Very smart.

I digged a little more and it seems you're right. disk logo was stolen from Atari game:
http://arsoft.netstrefa.pl/historia.htm

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TCD · 24 April 2023, 07:28

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Originally Posted by Don_Adan

For me Rookies is very special pirate version of Glücksrad game only. Someone created even VHS box for this pirate version. As "legal" version it can be sold in Poland for more money. Very smart.

If it was sold in Poland maybe it should be changed to 'Commercial' even if it is a hack? I've added a note about it being unofficial.

rygar · 24 April 2023, 08:51

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Originally Posted by TCD

If it was sold in Poland maybe it should be changed to 'Commercial' even if it is hack? I've added a note about it being unofficial.

For me this proposal is win-win

TCD · 24 April 2023, 09:07

I've changed it to commercial.

Don_Adan · 24 April 2023, 09:52

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Originally Posted by TCD

If it was sold in Poland maybe it should be changed to 'Commercial' even if it is a hack? I've added a note about it being unofficial.

I dont know rules for HOL, but this is only translated to polish version of Gluecksrad sold by polish pirates. The only difference was VHS box, even it has pass code, if this is not fake "pass code" and im not blind. Some other Amiga games was translated to polish language, mostly by replacing/editing game texts. But perhaps was not sold as "legal" version.

Anyway if pirated (boxed) versions are OK for HOL too, then Mortal Kombat II info must/can be updated for 4 disks US version. This is cracked by Mok/Prestige version of this game without cracktro, sold by any pirate(s) in USA.

"This patch applies to "Mortal Kombat 2" (c) 1994 Acclaim - 3/4 disks.
Thanks to Carlo Pirri and Mad-Matt for the 3 disk version and Chris
Vella for the 4 disk US version!"

TCD · 24 April 2023, 10:02

Yeah, those 'corner cases' are not easy to solve... It's just no other category that we currently have fits the 'is a modified unofficial version and was sold' mold. We might need a new category for those kind of games (I just assume that this wasn't the only game that got hacked and sold).

NPI · 24 April 2023, 10:32

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Originally Posted by TCD

Yeah, those 'corner cases' are not easy to solve... It's just no other category that we currently have fits the 'is a modified unofficial version and was sold' mold. We might need a new category for those kind of games (I just assume that this wasn't the only game that got hacked and sold).

Courbois games are notorious for this. They released a bunch of PD games marked as their own. Also some other cases exist like Judo-Atemi etc...

TCD · 24 April 2023, 10:36

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Originally Posted by NPI

Courbois games are notorious for this. They released a bunch of PD games marked as their own. Also some other cases exist like Judo-Atemi etc...

I started a discussion about it with the team. I guess we'll end with a better way to label those games. There's also some German publishers that put PD games in a package and sold them for some money.

20 April 2023, 00:13	#65
NPI Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Belgrade, Serbia Age: 38 Posts: 607	The Geografia 1.0 I was thinking about is this one: https://www.mobygames.com/game/19960...ia-polski-v10/ this is the one you uploaded: https://hol.abime.net/6703 EDIT: The Geografia 1.0 can't work without the 2.0 disk, so it will always be 2.0 version for me. It doesn't matter as they are actually not that different, no need for a special entry (like on mobygames). Plus I can't be bothered with it. What is the BIRD collection? Last edited by NPI; 20 April 2023 at 00:27.

20 April 2023, 22:55	#68
rygar Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Poland Posts: 1,328	Let's clean some Wheel of Fortune entries To add -> Fortuna 1993 Publisher: B. B. Review in Top Secret 16 page 8 http://retrostories.pl/gra/kolo-fortuny/ -------------------------------------------------- Fortuna 2000 https://hol.abime.net/6844 To add -> Developer: TAIR Chorzów -------------------------------------------------- Ko?o Szcz??cia https://hol.abime.net/6659 To add -> Developer: Fatima Production -------------------------------------------------- To add -> Ko?o Fortuny 1993 Publisher: Q.U.S. Soft https://www.mobygames.com/game/67741/ko%C5%82o-fortuny/ -------------------------------------------------- To add -> Ko?o Fortuny 1992 Publisher: Rookies/ Gametek Developer: Califon Productions https://hol.abime.net/2743 Glücksrad - Gametek [1991] (German) and Ko?o Fortuny - Califon Prod (Polish) is same game - translated and with polish special characters but Y and Z are still swapped on keyboard. Title screen is slightly modified. Last edited by rygar; 20 April 2023 at 23:06.

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21 April 2023, 07:31	#69
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,598	I've added the two developers. That 'Official Amiga Seal Of Quality' on the last one... Don't think that Nintendo would have been too happy about it if they found out

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NPI Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Belgrade, Serbia Age: 38 Posts: 607	The Rookies' Kolo Fortuny looks like bootleg/hack rather than an official release. Also, I can't find B.B. and Q.U.S. Soft's versions.

24 April 2023, 09:07	#76
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,598	I've changed it to commercial.

24 April 2023, 10:02	#78
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,598	Yeah, those 'corner cases' are not easy to solve... It's just no other category that we currently have fits the 'is a modified unofficial version and was sold' mold. We might need a new category for those kind of games (I just assume that this wasn't the only game that got hacked and sold).

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