AmigaOne - Pegasos - Shark PPC

[Oscar Castillo]

No OS 4, no MorphOS. Nothing. When the hell will I be able to get my hands on some of this stuff? All I hear is more and more talk and product hyping, but nothing appears to be available.
I feel as though these companies are taking orders first to see what the response is before they even place their orders to produce these things.
I have Mac OS X as my main development platform and was looking for another alternative OS to do some work on in parallel, but looks like it may have to be Linux if I don't see something soon.

[Amiga1992]

I think these ompanies are taking the piss out of poor supporters like you, Oscar.

[Oscar Castillo]

These companies suck. I want to develop apps under OS 4 or even MorphOS, but if I cannot do so, I thought I'd just stick with Linux.
I thought about programming for the native Amiga, but thought that manuals and information would be hard to come by. Although the NDK from Amiga inc may have all I really need. I need to print it all out to make sure. Luckily I work in an industry that has commercial Xerox and Oce' printers. 135 ppm and 266 ppm machines.

[Korodny]

I think these ompanies are taking the piss out of poor supporters like you, Oscar.

Stop whining please. You promised it.

These companies suck.

Why exactly? Do you think they're deliberately delaying the release? Do you think they owe you something and should therefore further increase their financial risks? Do you think there's an army of talented coders out there, willing to work for free - but we just forgot to ask them to contribute?

You suck.

[Amiga1992]

Originally posted by Korodny
Stop whining please. You promised it.

Hey, I didnt promise I wouldn't bash Amiga Inc. to death, I said I'd quit whining about the Amiga One

I just said how I feel about Amiga Inc. after all these years. I wil admit I exagerated and put everyone in the same sack! I shouldn't be saying nothing about the guys who make the Pegasos (which I like), or the others.

Don't get mad Korodny

[Pyromania]

Originally posted by Akira

Hey, I didnt promise I wouldn't bash Amiga Inc. to death, I said I'd quit whining about the Amiga One

I just said how I feel about Amiga Inc. after all these years. I wil admit I exagerated and put everyone in the same sack! I shouldn't be saying nothing about the guys who make the Pegasos (which I like), or the others.

Don't get mad Korodny

Pegasos is available now for developers.

[Oscar Castillo]

Originally posted by Korodny
Why exactly? Do you think they're deliberately delaying the release? Do you think they owe you something and should therefore further increase their financial risks? Do you think there's an army of talented coders out there, willing to work for free - but we just forgot to ask them to contribute?

You suck.

Well, it's like these companies are being run by euro-geeks that don't have much of any business plan, even for a limited market, and hold on to the hope of reliving a past that has been long gone by reviving a name only. If progress means the future of the Amiga will look nothing like its past then a more common sense approach would mean developing the OS to run on current hardware, not create some sub-culture of leftover PPC systems to make a quick buck on the hardware. It's shortsighted to lock the platform into the PPC, since Motorola really has no strategic interest in slugging it out with Intel or AMD in the processor business. The Amiga is already being locked into a platform that may be getting near the end of its lifespan. Even Apple is rumored to be looking for a PowerPC alternative, presumably a scaled down Power4 CPU from IBM with Altivec-like extensions. To sell the OS alone is hard enough, now consider now trying to get people to buy the hardware knowing in advance that it will be a dead end for the most part is not comforting to anyone.

You suck and swallow. [/B]

I don't usually agree on Korodny's views on new amiga hardware, especially on AmigaOne but there is a fact that Pegasos, or SharkPPC do not owe anyone anything, especially to those who bitch only for not being able to see the picture of the board. When nVidia develops a graphic board and names it GeForceMX 4 and if that board is as slow as previous year's GeForce 2 GTS that has half the ram, is that ok because they publish it professionally with photos and all?

I bash Amiga Inc mercilessly for they don't seem to succeed in their responsibility to represent the community and the name "Amiga" officially. But Elbox doesn't deny that they are just an euro-geek (whatever it is) company and they have been working a lot and risking a lot to present an AmigaOne alternative, in my opinion an alternative that has more Amiga essence in it. Pegasos is a completely different machine, not strictly amiga but again free people are designing and manufacturing it! PPC is old true, but what is the alternative? x86? I don't think so. If those machines fail, their creators will fail. We currently have no pegasos or sharkppc yet we're having fun wandering around an Amiga forum.

[Korodny]

@Oscar:

Well, it's like these companies are being run by euro-geeks that don't have much of any business plan,

Yeah, and you are the person to judge that? LOL.

even for a limited market, and hold on to the hope of reliving a past that has been long gone by reviving a name only. If progress means the future of the Amiga will look nothing like its past then a more common sense approach would mean developing the OS to run on current hardware, not create some sub-culture of leftover PPC systems to make a quick buck on the hardware.

Your original complaint was "they suck, because they don't deliver". I asked you to explain that statement - but you simply come up with the next complaint "they suck because they force me to buy Amiga-Hardware". Grow up kid.

It's either AmigaOne+OS4 or no OS4 at all. It's that easy. Amiga Inc. uses the licensing fees from Eyetech (AmigaOne) to pay for the OS development. No AmigaOne - no OS4.

And before you start another boring rant about how PPC hardware sucks, please explain me why you're using a Mac?

You're just a whiner, that's it.

And I pretty much have to agree with Burseg here: I'm not defending Amiga Inc. but clueless wannabees attacking "these companies" (Hyperion, Eyetech, Elbox) really annoy me.

[Korodny]

@Akira:

I wil admit I exagerated and put everyone in the same sack!

Okay, in this case I misunderstood you

the Pegasos (which I like)

You know that this sounds childish, don't you?

[Oscar Castillo]

Originally posted by Korodny
Your original complaint was "they suck, because they don't deliver". I asked you to explain that statement - but you simply come up with the next complaint "they suck because they force me to buy Amiga-Hardware". Grow up kid.

Read the post again. "They suck" has nothing to do with buying "Amiga hardware". There is no"Amiga hardware" here. It's only a mess of chips slapped together to form another hardware platform only they control for the sake of making a fast buck. Unfortunately they've chosen an architecture, which may be nearing the end of its lifespan. Apple is clearly seeing this in the Mac too, but they're in a far better position to do somethign about it.

It's either AmigaOne+OS4 or no OS4 at all. It's that easy. Amiga Inc. uses the licensing fees from Eyetech (AmigaOne) to pay for the OS development. No AmigaOne - no OS4.

And herein lies the problem I outlined. Thank you for making it even clearer.

And before you start another boring rant about how PPC hardware sucks, please explain me why you're using a Mac?

I never said PPC sucked. Please read the post again. I said that the PPC architecture appears to be nearing the end of its lifespan. Apple is desperately looking for an alternative because it's clear to them Motorola does not have any interest to compete in the desktop CPU arena at the same pace as Intel or AMD. A Power4 derivative with hypertransport may be the future for the Mac.
So where does that leave the older PPC architecture? At a dead end as far as any future development.

You're just a whiner, that's it.

And you are an inept toad.

[Amiga1992]

Originally posted by Korodny
@Akira:
You know that this sounds childish, don't you?

Hey, no, why? The Pegasos, as I sid, has two points I like:

1) No Amiga name attached to it. So no hard feelings and whining like "WHYDAFEG DOSNAE PLAY TURRICANE DREI?"
2) Firewire baby! This will be AWESOME for video developers like us. I hope Mediapoint RTG supports the firewire port!

Just me two pence

[IanS]

For those who say that the PPC architecture is dying... that is quite possibly true. Nothing stays still for long. Intel are killing off the old x86 platform in favour of a new 64 bit processor series, incompatible with the x86 line. It should come as no great surprise to anybody. But until that technology appears at a reasonable price, it won't filter to the home desktop, and companies will keep producing for the mass market for the time being. If we wait to buy software for a platform that will never become obsolete... we're in for a long wait.

As to something being "Amiga hardware". Surely, the people who own the name, the patents and copyrights are entitled to call it an Amiga? Do you notice people saying that a Ford Escort isn't a Ford Escort because it bears no resemblence to the original 1960s version? Oh come on guys, that isn't how the world works.

All this bickering and name calling sucks!

Why do anyone who liked the original ford escort should feel the need to buy, support or like the new ford escort? Because the name is ford escort? Well they might like it, as I may like pegasos but there is no such obligation (as I don't like A1).

[IanS]

I totally agree with you Bursreg. While the two cars are totally different, they share the same name. This should in no way obligate people to continue buying them. What I was pointing out was the fact that it is a totally accepted practice in the motor industry. Nobody says that Ford etc are wrong in doing it... people just see it and get on with life. Why market a new brand name, when you can update the old one that has market recognition?

Too many people want time to stand still, or even worse... they want something new and better, but with everything old thrown in as well. Mentioning no names Akira!

[blackcornflake]

Re AmigaOS being tied to a specific hardware. AmigaOne and OS4 were always going to be transitional. Compatibility had to be ensured for the existing PPC (603/4) Amiga cards. I have read nothing that says AmigaOS will forever use PPC.

I thought the ultimate plan was for the OS to merge with the DE and become scalable and platform-agnostic, using Tao's virtual processor technology. This is where Amiga-powered mobile phones start to make sense - digital convergence, with Amiga content on all the various devices.

[Amiga1992]

Originally posted by IanS
Too many people want time to stand still, or even worse... they want something new and better, but with everything old thrown in as well. Mentioning no names Akira!

I'm sick of you. I already said that I didn't want an Amiga One, and I wouldn't want a Pegasos to run frigging TURRICAN. I would use one for DV video production.

[Korodny]

@Burseg:

I don't say that somebody should buy the AmigaOne just because it's labeled Amiga - that would be stupid.

I just think that comments like the one from Akira are childish.

@Akira:

1) No Amiga name attached to it. So no hard feelings and whining like "WHYDAFEG DOSNAE PLAY TURRICANE DREI?"

Yeah, and that's childish, sorry

2) Firewire baby! This will be AWESOME for video developers like us. I hope Mediapoint RTG supports the firewire port!

MediaPointRTG is a "Scala-Beater", I don't know why it should support the FireWire-Port (i.e. I've got no idea why, because I'm pretty clueless when it comes to DV)? I don't know if it has Firewire support, I'm just wondering?

Maybe you're confusing it with Motionstudio? That's a non-linear DV editing suite. This one has Firewire support of course.

Of course OS4 will support Firewire too. On your sound card, your ATI all-in-wonder, on a seperate PCI card or whereever else a FireWire port is included these days...

[Korodny]

@Oscar:

Apple is clearly seeing this in the Mac too, but they're in a far better position to do somethign about it.

Probably because they're no "euro-geeks", right? Boy, you don't have that -> <- much of a clue. What's the difference between licensing and tweaking a PPC based reference design (AmigaOne) and doing the same with a POWER based reference design?

And herein lies the problem I outlined. Thank you for making it even clearer.

You still owe me an explanation why "they" suck? If you agree that the "quick buck" that is made with the AmigaOne hardware is neccessary to make OS4 reality, why does somebody "suck" then? Does Apple suck (they need their custom hardware base as much as we need it)?

I never said PPC sucked. Please read the post again. I said that the PPC architecture appears to be nearing the end of its lifespan.

Still you bought a Mac (probably a G4, as you're running OSX). Isn't that stupid if Power4 based machines will be available next week?

Well, maybe they won't be available next week (or next year, for that matter)?

No matter how you twist it, Apple does suck as much as Amiga/Hyperion/Eyetech (both want to sell you PPC based computers right now) and you are as stupid as me (as we bought such a computer).

[Amiga1992]

Originally posted by Korodny
Yeah, and that's childish, sorry

sorry man, I was actually making fun of myself and my previous A1 comments, don't you understand a joke?

MediaPointRTG is a "Scala-Beater", I don't know why it should support the FireWire-Port[/B]

Why? well, I could export presentatins DIRECTLY to DV without loss of quality! It's stupid to take an Amiga everywhere if I can tape what it does and take it to places...
VHS sucks, but DV rocks, so if MSRTG supports DV, I could get KICKASS presentations NO other program can deliver!

See my point?