Pictures of Elbox's Dragon

ppill · 11 November 2006, 18:10

http://tdolphin.org/amikrak/amizaduszki2006.php

keropi · 11 November 2006, 18:26

yeah yeah yeah
but we don't get it until OS4 is released.... so we might never get it.

edit: does this stick to an A1200 mobo??? and it comes from the mediator design??? with all these memory limits and stuff?

dambuster · 11 November 2006, 18:44

Still want one

- but why do we have to wait untill OS4 as the Coldfire is for Classic WB's AFAIK

adolescent · 11 November 2006, 19:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by keropi

yeah yeah yeah
but we don't get it until OS4 is released.... so we might never get it.

No, you're thinking the Shark. The Dragon is a coldfire board, not a PPC.

RetroMan · 11 November 2006, 21:58

Yup, Dragon is an 68k replacement

Can´t wait to play DivX on 68k

keropi · 11 November 2006, 22:24

I am under the impression that the coldfire cpu lacks some serious stuff for 68k , and thus cannot really run out of the box any 68k app, including the OS. and if u see on the pics, they have AOS4 screenshots if I am not mistaken. I remember a huge thread on amiga.org discussing why the coldfire cannot just run 68k code, and that an emulator is needed for it , before it can run any 68k app.

Zetr0 · 12 November 2006, 03:04

@keropi

What i have read about on OLI's A3000/4000 accelerator card wich uses a v4 coldfire at 200mhz as it is a risc cpu based arround the 68000 moto chip. This chip is apparently greater than 95% instruction bound exact as the orignal 68000.

From what OLI posted they were looking to error trap instructions not native to the coldfire (but to CISC based 68k motos) and convert them possibly using some NVRAM / CMOS or other updatable yet permanent storage.

The instructions removed from CISC based 68k motos cpus were from not used or little used instruction calls. The the RISC based coldfire chips shouldn't have that much work to do running legacy software and when they do thats when obviously the kernal jumps in, inteceeds an unkown instuction call and either replaces the instruction call with a revised instruction or breaks down a large instruction to a series smaller ones, the latter is slowing performace as one might expect.

thats how OLI's project is happening and one i am quite excited about

"a cheap theoretical 200mhz+ 060 hmmm nice...."

I am sure that to a similar point the Dragon uses a simular method.

ppill · 12 November 2006, 10:05

First of all these are pictures of a small get together the Polish users had yesterday in Kraków, Poland. Since Elbox is based there they decided to pop in and and present their Dragon board. From what I've been reading on the Polish forum the dragon was sitting in a a1200 and:
1) It works

2) It ran os3.9
3) USB 2.0 works

Here are a few links:
http://www.elbox.com/news_04_12_17.html
http://www.elbox.com/faq_dragon.html
http://dahoo.untergrund.net/other/az_xvid/ short clips from the get together
http://www.ppa.pl/graffiti/index.php more pictures

keropi · 12 November 2006, 11:06

allright then!
any release date?

wizard66 · 12 November 2006, 11:10

Me Likeski.

goldfire for mediator 3000/4000 sounds nice.
Hurryup withe the final release (os4.0).
I want one NOW

Photon · 12 November 2006, 13:12

It's great that people give new life the 68k!

But I don't understand the fixation of being able to "do the stuff the PCs can do", like watching DivX. A $100 DVD player can play most of that stuff, and better too, go get one.

No, Amiga became known for doing what no other computer could do. So support this project by inventing software that does really new things!

It could be a game that is FUN to play, and not just another FPS with changed graphics.

Why not plug in an LCD tablet and make The New DPaint with beautiful, pressure-sensitive strokes, without the lag you see in all such PC painting programs?

Use pixel shaders in those new cards to make true metallic, diamond, normalmapped user interface for the OS!

I'd help doing that if had the time - but I'm studying and working extra. :'(

Methanoid · 13 November 2006, 09:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by keropi

allright then!
any release date?

Do you remember the orignal Dragon "launch date"? Well they never said the year.... go back and have a look and add in a date that is at least 3 months away. Then when it fails to materialise we can say it was 2007 or 2008 and so on....

This product better get to market soon while there still might be some kind of market!!!

11 November 2006, 18:10	#1
ppill CON: artist Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Poland Age: 43 Posts: 1,250	Pictures of Elbox's Dragon http://tdolphin.org/amikrak/amizaduszki2006.php

12 November 2006, 10:05	#8
ppill CON: artist Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Poland Age: 43 Posts: 1,250	First of all these are pictures of a small get together the Polish users had yesterday in Kraków, Poland. Since Elbox is based there they decided to pop in and and present their Dragon board. From what I've been reading on the Polish forum the dragon was sitting in a a1200 and: 1) It works 2) It ran os3.9 3) USB 2.0 works Here are a few links: http://www.elbox.com/news_04_12_17.html http://www.elbox.com/faq_dragon.html http://dahoo.untergrund.net/other/az_xvid/ short clips from the get together http://www.ppa.pl/graffiti/index.php more pictures Last edited by ppill; 12 November 2006 at 10:52.

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11 November 2006, 18:26	#2
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	yeah yeah yeah but we don't get it until OS4 is released.... so we might never get it. edit: does this stick to an A1200 mobo??? and it comes from the mediator design??? with all these memory limits and stuff?

11 November 2006, 18:44	#3
dambuster Zone Friend Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Dundee / Scotland Posts: 151	Still want one - but why do we have to wait untill OS4 as the Coldfire is for Classic WB's AFAIK

11 November 2006, 21:58	#5
RetroMan Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Germany Age: 51 Posts: 3,704	Yup, Dragon is an 68k replacement Can´t wait to play DivX on 68k

11 November 2006, 22:24	#6
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	I am under the impression that the coldfire cpu lacks some serious stuff for 68k , and thus cannot really run out of the box any 68k app, including the OS. and if u see on the pics, they have AOS4 screenshots if I am not mistaken. I remember a huge thread on amiga.org discussing why the coldfire cannot just run 68k code, and that an emulator is needed for it , before it can run any 68k app.

12 November 2006, 03:04	#7
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	@keropi What i have read about on OLI's A3000/4000 accelerator card wich uses a v4 coldfire at 200mhz as it is a risc cpu based arround the 68000 moto chip. This chip is apparently greater than 95% instruction bound exact as the orignal 68000. From what OLI posted they were looking to error trap instructions not native to the coldfire (but to CISC based 68k motos) and convert them possibly using some NVRAM / CMOS or other updatable yet permanent storage. The instructions removed from CISC based 68k motos cpus were from not used or little used instruction calls. The the RISC based coldfire chips shouldn't have that much work to do running legacy software and when they do thats when obviously the kernal jumps in, inteceeds an unkown instuction call and either replaces the instruction call with a revised instruction or breaks down a large instruction to a series smaller ones, the latter is slowing performace as one might expect. thats how OLI's project is happening and one i am quite excited about "a cheap theoretical 200mhz+ 060 hmmm nice...." I am sure that to a similar point the Dragon uses a simular method.

12 November 2006, 11:06	#9
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	allright then! any release date?

12 November 2006, 11:10	#10
wizard66 FPGA Replay inside A590 Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Rotterdam/Netherlands Age: 57 Posts: 294	Me Likeski. goldfire for mediator 3000/4000 sounds nice. Hurryup withe the final release (os4.0). I want one NOW

12 November 2006, 13:12	#11
Photon Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Eksjö / Sweden Posts: 5,602	It's great that people give new life the 68k! But I don't understand the fixation of being able to "do the stuff the PCs can do", like watching DivX. A $100 DVD player can play most of that stuff, and better too, go get one. No, Amiga became known for doing what no other computer could do. So support this project by inventing software that does really new things! It could be a game that is FUN to play, and not just another FPS with changed graphics. Why not plug in an LCD tablet and make The New DPaint with beautiful, pressure-sensitive strokes, without the lag you see in all such PC painting programs? Use pixel shaders in those new cards to make true metallic, diamond, normalmapped user interface for the OS! I'd help doing that if had the time - but I'm studying and working extra. :'(

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