Classic screens default to lores with P96

MagerValp · 23 August 2009, 09:55

I have an A4000 with a GVP Spectrum 28/24, and OS 3.9 with Picasso 96. The workbench and most apps (e.g. DirOpus 4) seem to work fine, but some apps that open on a new screen open on a lores (320x256) screen instead of the normal hires (640x256) screen. If I set my workbench to one of the PAL hires modes, they correctly open in 640x256. If I set my workbench to 800x600x8 on the GVP, they open in lores. I just did a fresh install of 3.9 + BB2, and the problem persists.

Any ideas?

illy5603 · 23 August 2009, 21:40

Some applications will run in HI-RES or HI-RES INTERLACE depending on what screen mode you are in, but those same applications may only default to HI-RES if they detect a screen mode OTHER than the first two.

Some applications will have either a config file option for INTERLACE or a tool type info setting in the icon information for it. You could also try a mode promotion utility such as modepro.

Personally, I wouldn't sweat it. I run HIGHGFX (1024X768) on my A1200 and several applications open up exactly the way you mentioned, no big deal. It isn't like many of them are going to give you any more information in INTERLACE. The ones that do (Diropus, dctelnet, etc) already support these higher res modes.

MagerValp · 23 August 2009, 23:28

Nono, it opens in lores, 320x256, with half the interface missing:

http://mazzy.paradroid.net/tmp/AmigaLores.avi

I haven't tried a lot of apps yet, but it happens with ConfigOpus and Blitz Basic 2, and not with SysInfo (which gets the regular 640x200 screen).

illy5603 · 23 August 2009, 23:47

Hmm how are your overscan settings for PAL mode? Set them back to default or minimum size and see if that changes anything.

thomas · 24 August 2009, 08:56

@MagerValp:

Is one of the PAL or NTSC drivers present in Devs/Monitors ?

MagerValp · 24 August 2009, 09:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by illy5603

Hmm how are your overscan settings for PAL mode? Set them back to default or minimum size and see if that changes anything.

They're untouched, and there's no overscan prefs file. I did a clean 3.9 install.

Quote:

Originally Posted by thomas

Is one of the PAL or NTSC drivers present in Devs/Monitors ?

Hmm, no, only Spectrum. I added PAL, but it still tries to open a lores screen.

util/cdity/NewMode.lha offers a good workaround though, and it also lets me promote system friendly apps to P96 as a bonus.

illy5603 · 24 August 2009, 19:01

Mode promotion is the way to go, especially if it supports P96! One last thought, just for troubleshooting. Are you ever able to get your low res pal screen centered correctly by fiddling with the monitor? If you play games from a floppy are they centered correctly? I.E. is this issue only when running P96 and then jumping to a low res screen?

MagerValp · 25 August 2009, 08:58

Yep, lores games work just fine, but I suspect that they bang the hardware directly. I'll have to try some productivity apps that run in lores (e.g. DPaint) and see if they work.

MagerValp · 26 August 2009, 10:44

DPaint works without any problems, I get a proper lores screen.

illy5603 · 26 August 2009, 22:23

FWIW: Configopus won't even load on my 1200. Diropus itself works fine, shrug.

***EDIT*** Wow, not only does it crash my system, on cold reboot my screen is moved over to the left a little and all goofed up. I don't know if it freaked my monitor out of if it changed something on the Amiga but jeez, what is that program's problem?

***EDIT2*** Confirmed it "resets" my monitor to factory defaults, all Amiga settings OK.

Anyone care to test configopus on their systems? It and other applications may just do stupid crap when the system is running in mode other than pal/ntsc? I am essentially having the same problem you are with configopus on a different video card.

MagerValp · 26 August 2009, 23:39

Can you also try AmiBlitz 2? It's the other program that gives me a screwy lores screen instead of hires.

illy5603 · 27 August 2009, 01:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagerValp

Can you also try AmiBlitz 2? It's the other program that gives me a screwy lores screen instead of hires.

I don't think I have this one...

MagerValp · 27 August 2009, 10:43

http://www.amiforce.de/amiblitz/ab_downloads.php

zipper · 27 August 2009, 10:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagerValp

util/cdity/NewMode.lha offers a good workaround though, and it also lets me promote system friendly apps to P96 as a bonus.

I used ModePro, it could also use "force planar" - the only way to get SysInfo work right on RTG screens.

MagerValp · 27 August 2009, 15:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by zipper

I used ModePro, it could also use "force planar" - the only way to get SysInfo work right on RTG screens.

Interesting, I'll try it out.

23 August 2009, 09:55	#1
MagerValp Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Göteborg / Sweden Posts: 237	Classic screens default to lores with P96 I have an A4000 with a GVP Spectrum 28/24, and OS 3.9 with Picasso 96. The workbench and most apps (e.g. DirOpus 4) seem to work fine, but some apps that open on a new screen open on a lores (320x256) screen instead of the normal hires (640x256) screen. If I set my workbench to one of the PAL hires modes, they correctly open in 640x256. If I set my workbench to 800x600x8 on the GVP, they open in lores. I just did a fresh install of 3.9 + BB2, and the problem persists. Any ideas?

26 August 2009, 22:23	#10
illy5603 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SPaT CiTY Posts: 557	FWIW: Configopus won't even load on my 1200. Diropus itself works fine, shrug. *EDIT* Wow, not only does it crash my system, on cold reboot my screen is moved over to the left a little and all goofed up. I don't know if it freaked my monitor out of if it changed something on the Amiga but jeez, what is that program's problem? *EDIT2* Confirmed it "resets" my monitor to factory defaults, all Amiga settings OK. Anyone care to test configopus on their systems? It and other applications may just do stupid crap when the system is running in mode other than pal/ntsc? I am essentially having the same problem you are with configopus on a different video card. Last edited by illy5603; 26 August 2009 at 22:44.

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23 August 2009, 21:40	#2
illy5603 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SPaT CiTY Posts: 557	Some applications will run in HI-RES or HI-RES INTERLACE depending on what screen mode you are in, but those same applications may only default to HI-RES if they detect a screen mode OTHER than the first two. Some applications will have either a config file option for INTERLACE or a tool type info setting in the icon information for it. You could also try a mode promotion utility such as modepro. Personally, I wouldn't sweat it. I run HIGHGFX (1024X768) on my A1200 and several applications open up exactly the way you mentioned, no big deal. It isn't like many of them are going to give you any more information in INTERLACE. The ones that do (Diropus, dctelnet, etc) already support these higher res modes.

23 August 2009, 23:28	#3
MagerValp Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Göteborg / Sweden Posts: 237	Nono, it opens in lores, 320x256, with half the interface missing: http://mazzy.paradroid.net/tmp/AmigaLores.avi I haven't tried a lot of apps yet, but it happens with ConfigOpus and Blitz Basic 2, and not with SysInfo (which gets the regular 640x200 screen).

23 August 2009, 23:47	#4
illy5603 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SPaT CiTY Posts: 557	Hmm how are your overscan settings for PAL mode? Set them back to default or minimum size and see if that changes anything.

24 August 2009, 08:56	#5
thomas Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 6,985	@MagerValp: Is one of the PAL or NTSC drivers present in Devs/Monitors ?

24 August 2009, 19:01	#7
illy5603 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SPaT CiTY Posts: 557	Mode promotion is the way to go, especially if it supports P96! One last thought, just for troubleshooting. Are you ever able to get your low res pal screen centered correctly by fiddling with the monitor? If you play games from a floppy are they centered correctly? I.E. is this issue only when running P96 and then jumping to a low res screen?

25 August 2009, 08:58	#8
MagerValp Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Göteborg / Sweden Posts: 237	Yep, lores games work just fine, but I suspect that they bang the hardware directly. I'll have to try some productivity apps that run in lores (e.g. DPaint) and see if they work.

26 August 2009, 10:44	#9
MagerValp Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Göteborg / Sweden Posts: 237	DPaint works without any problems, I get a proper lores screen.

26 August 2009, 23:39	#11
MagerValp Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Göteborg / Sweden Posts: 237	Can you also try AmiBlitz 2? It's the other program that gives me a screwy lores screen instead of hires.

27 August 2009, 10:43	#13
MagerValp Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Göteborg / Sweden Posts: 237	http://www.amiforce.de/amiblitz/ab_downloads.php

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