OS4 compatible UAE expansion development status - Page 2

Toni Wilen · 16 January 2016, 19:58

And even more bigger update!

Directory harddrives now work in OS4!

(Directory hardfiles didn't need library calls, only uaegfx and bsdsocket needs those)

ero__ · 16 January 2016, 20:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

And even more bigger update!

Directory harddrives now work in OS4!

(Directory hardfiles didn't need library calls, only uaegfx and bsdsocket needs those)

Great News!

Aegis · 16 January 2016, 22:55

Awesome news! Posted at amiga.org

AMIGASYSTEM · 16 January 2016, 23:15

Thank you Toni, pubblicato su Amigapage.it, amiga.ikirsector.it, aros-exec.org and other sites devoted to windows.

AnnaWu · 17 January 2016, 01:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

And even more bigger update!

Directory harddrives now work in OS4!

(Directory hardfiles didn't need library calls, only uaegfx and bsdsocket needs those)

Excellent job, Toni!

amilo3438 · 17 January 2016, 01:43

Small reminder for others thrilled with the news and who have not yet donated...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

Donations are accepted, doing OS4 related stuff is quite uninteresting (did you expect something else?

)

Nice, but honestly, personally care more about the classics Amiga! (sorry)

(otherwise it seems like a very interesting project... go ahead)

Toni Wilen · 17 January 2016, 10:48

Some notes, there is also possibility for "you are completely on your own" test version later today..

Currently supported UAE devices:

- Directory harddrives.
- uaehf.device (hardfiles). HD_SCSICMD is NOT supported yet.

Supported but not tested:

- uae.resource
- Some "uaelib" functions

Not yet supported (lots more work needed):

- uaegfx
- bsdsocket.library
- uaenative.library
- clipboard sharing
- uaescsi.device
- uaenet.device
- virtual mouse driver
- on the fly directory harddrive changes.

And everything else that was not mentioned.

Notes:

Host<>Amiga communication system is currently busy waiting, both PC and Amiga sides. Until it gets replaced with proper waits/interrupts (very complex task) at least triple core CPU is recommended.. (one for main thread, one for PPC, one for trap thread). I don't know if there is any difference but it is not my problem as usual

EDIT: Host side busy waiting is now replaced with waiting for signal from Amiga side.

Communication is also slower than normal host<>Amiga (which is practically instant) because every read or write that accesses Amiga memory needs to be done in Amiga side (due to non 1:1 logical/physical mapping). Lots of easy improvents to do here but optimizations come later

As usual, stable and working implementation is the most important and first requirement.
Any non-trivial optimizations will come (much) later.

Aegis · 17 January 2016, 11:47

Looking forward to testing (and breaking everything horribly

)

Toni Wilen · 17 January 2016, 14:42

Very alpha quality test version: http://www.winuae.net/files/b/winuae_OS4UAE.7z

If you post about any problem: log and winuaelog.txt MUST BE included. Log illegal memory accesses in Misc panel must be checked.

Posts that are useless or annoying will disappear.

See my previous post for supported features.

Extra notes: shutting down emulation can crash if trap thread is still waiting. It is considered normal at this point.

Directory harddrive performance is not that good (dozens of context switches/dos packet). Make sure hardfile/directory harddrive boot priority is below CSPPC SCSI if booting from SCSI. Equal boot priorities = UAE device will boot.

Add "uaeboard=full+indirect" to config file to enable new trap system.

Aegis · 17 January 2016, 16:13

Thanks Tony - I've got my CyberstormPPC emulation booting off a uaehf.device hardfile just fine (although it seems a tad slower than SCSI at this time) - haven't had any luck trying to get a BlizzardPPC to boot yet though (possibly because I haven't tried setting that configuration up before).

*Edit* Tested a directory hard drive (just a 'shared' folder) with a partitioned uaehf.device boot hardfile and that's all working nicely. Didn't notice any speedups with the latest build. Still can't get a Blizzard PPC install to work so someone else will have to test that...

Toni Wilen · 17 January 2016, 16:24

I didn't optimize uaehf.device context switches at all, wanted to get directory harddrives working first. Update later..

EDIT: Quick uaehf.device optimization done.

Nickman1200 · 17 January 2016, 18:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

Some notes, there is also possibility for "you are completely on your own" test version later today..

Currently supported UAE devices:

- Directory harddrives.
- uaehf.device (hardfiles). HD_SCSICMD is NOT supported yet.

Supported but not tested:

- uae.resource
- Some "uaelib" functions

Not yet supported (lots more work needed):

- uaegfx
- bsdsocket.library
- uaenative.library
- clipboard sharing
- uaescsi.device
- uaenet.device
- virtual mouse driver
- on the fly directory harddrive changes.

And everything else that was not mentioned.

Notes:

Host<>Amiga communication system is currently busy waiting, both PC and Amiga sides. Until it gets replaced with proper waits/interrupts (very complex task) at least triple core CPU is recommended.. (one for main thread, one for PPC, one for trap thread). I don't know if there is any difference but it is not my problem as usual

Communication is also slower than normal host<>Amiga (which is practically instant) because every read or write that accesses Amiga memory needs to be done in Amiga side (due to non 1:1 logical/physical mapping). Lots of easy improvents to do here but optimizations come later

As usual, stable and working implementation is the most important and first requirement.
Any non-trivial optimizations will come (much) later.

Did a quick donate to keep you a bit interested

Toni Wilen · 18 January 2016, 18:31

Thanks

Update:

- stability improved.
- PC side busy looping is gone.
- Increased size of shared memory buffers.
- Memory leak fixed.

I can also confirm OS4 can fully boot from directory harddrive. Slowly..

Performance improvements and others need redesign of UAE fs interrupt handler, because it is not possible to Wait() in interrupt, separate worker task is needed. Later..

Aegis · 18 January 2016, 19:06

Great stuff! Just made a (small) donation - will make another one soon!

*Edit* Weird - finally got Blizzard PPC up and running (256MB yay!) but even using uaehf.device OS 4.1 seems massively slower than using the Cyberstorm emulation - I've attached my configs in case I'm missing something obvious??

Amiga1200 PPC.uae
Amiga4000 PPC.uae

Toni Wilen · 19 January 2016, 22:07

Wrong thread. That has nothing to do with UAE expansions! (It is known problem, no one knows the reason). Donations won't make it any easier to post offtopic posts :

Toni Wilen · 19 January 2016, 22:08

Possibly interesting screenshot attached..

EDIT: Screenshot removed, better one re-attached to later post.

Aegis · 19 January 2016, 22:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

Wrong thread. That has nothing to do with UAE expansions! (It is known problem, no one knows the reason). Donations won't make it any easier to post offtopic posts :

I was kinda hoping the loading times for Blizzard PPC would be comparable to Cyberstorm PPC using uaehf.device instead of the emulated IDE - clearly not

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

Possibly interesting screenshot attached..

Ahaha! That's awesome!

huepper · 19 January 2016, 22:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

Possibly interesting screenshot attached..

Really amazing!!!

ccapublic · 19 January 2016, 22:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

Possibly interesting screenshot attached..

you sure ? Noooo....

Considering how slow you're progressing, we should not expect sound, gfx & bsdsocket alpha before... end of next week I guess...

mulder77 · 20 January 2016, 13:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

Possibly interesting screenshot attached..

Any chance to have a new test version any time soon?

16 January 2016, 23:15	#24
AMIGASYSTEM Registered User Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Brindisi (Italy) Age: 70 Posts: 8,248	Thank you Toni, pubblicato su Amigapage.it, amiga.ikirsector.it, aros-exec.org and other sites devoted to windows. Last edited by AMIGASYSTEM; 16 January 2016 at 23:21.

17 January 2016, 10:48	#27
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,502	Some notes, there is also possibility for "you are completely on your own" test version later today.. Currently supported UAE devices: - Directory harddrives. - uaehf.device (hardfiles). HD_SCSICMD is NOT supported yet. Supported but not tested: - uae.resource - Some "uaelib" functions Not yet supported (lots more work needed): - uaegfx - bsdsocket.library - uaenative.library - clipboard sharing - uaescsi.device - uaenet.device - virtual mouse driver - on the fly directory harddrive changes. And everything else that was not mentioned. Notes: Host<>Amiga communication system is currently busy waiting, both PC and Amiga sides. Until it gets replaced with proper waits/interrupts (very complex task) at least triple core CPU is recommended.. (one for main thread, one for PPC, one for trap thread). I don't know if there is any difference but it is not my problem as usual EDIT: Host side busy waiting is now replaced with waiting for signal from Amiga side. Communication is also slower than normal host<>Amiga (which is practically instant) because every read or write that accesses Amiga memory needs to be done in Amiga side (due to non 1:1 logical/physical mapping). Lots of easy improvents to do here but optimizations come later As usual, stable and working implementation is the most important and first requirement. Any non-trivial optimizations will come (much) later. Last edited by Toni Wilen; 18 January 2016 at 07:27.

17 January 2016, 16:13	#30
Aegis Gentleman Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: The Fortesque Mansion Posts: 248	Thanks Tony - I've got my CyberstormPPC emulation booting off a uaehf.device hardfile just fine (although it seems a tad slower than SCSI at this time) - haven't had any luck trying to get a BlizzardPPC to boot yet though (possibly because I haven't tried setting that configuration up before). Edit Tested a directory hard drive (just a 'shared' folder) with a partitioned uaehf.device boot hardfile and that's all working nicely. Didn't notice any speedups with the latest build. Still can't get a Blizzard PPC install to work so someone else will have to test that... Last edited by Aegis; 17 January 2016 at 17:14.

17 January 2016, 16:24	#31
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,502	I didn't optimize uaehf.device context switches at all, wanted to get directory harddrives working first. Update later.. EDIT: Quick uaehf.device optimization done. Last edited by Toni Wilen; 17 January 2016 at 16:32.

18 January 2016, 19:06	#34
Aegis Gentleman Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: The Fortesque Mansion Posts: 248	Great stuff! Just made a (small) donation - will make another one soon! Edit Weird - finally got Blizzard PPC up and running (256MB yay!) but even using uaehf.device OS 4.1 seems massively slower than using the Cyberstorm emulation - I've attached my configs in case I'm missing something obvious?? Amiga1200 PPC.uae Amiga4000 PPC.uae Last edited by Aegis; 18 January 2016 at 23:32.

16 January 2016, 19:58	#21
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,502	And even more bigger update! Directory harddrives now work in OS4! (Directory hardfiles didn't need library calls, only uaegfx and bsdsocket needs those)

16 January 2016, 22:55	#23
Aegis Gentleman Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: The Fortesque Mansion Posts: 248	Awesome news! Posted at amiga.org

17 January 2016, 11:47	#28
Aegis Gentleman Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: The Fortesque Mansion Posts: 248	Looking forward to testing (and breaking everything horribly )

17 January 2016, 14:42	#29
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,502	Very alpha quality test version: http://www.winuae.net/files/b/winuae_OS4UAE.7z If you post about any problem: log and winuaelog.txt MUST BE included. Log illegal memory accesses in Misc panel must be checked. Posts that are useless or annoying will disappear. See my previous post for supported features. Extra notes: shutting down emulation can crash if trap thread is still waiting. It is considered normal at this point. Directory harddrive performance is not that good (dozens of context switches/dos packet). Make sure hardfile/directory harddrive boot priority is below CSPPC SCSI if booting from SCSI. Equal boot priorities = UAE device will boot. Add "uaeboard=full+indirect" to config file to enable new trap system.

18 January 2016, 18:31	#33
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,502	Thanks Update: - stability improved. - PC side busy looping is gone. - Increased size of shared memory buffers. - Memory leak fixed. I can also confirm OS4 can fully boot from directory harddrive. Slowly.. Performance improvements and others need redesign of UAE fs interrupt handler, because it is not possible to Wait() in interrupt, separate worker task is needed. Later..

19 January 2016, 22:07	#35
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,502	Wrong thread. That has nothing to do with UAE expansions! (It is known problem, no one knows the reason). Donations won't make it any easier to post offtopic posts :

19 January 2016, 22:08	#36
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,502	Possibly interesting screenshot attached.. EDIT: Screenshot removed, better one re-attached to later post. Last edited by Toni Wilen; 20 January 2016 at 17:53.

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