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Emulation and alternative OS support are good but they should not be used to replace native OS and software deficiencies. An OS from a software only company has practically no chance of success. There will not be enough users, developers or software without mass produced hardware. Develop a vision and set goals but be flexible and open minded as technology can change quickly. Find and talk to potential customers, developers and partners. Support and have a good relationship with customers, developers and partners. Use existing standards where advantageous and create good standards. Creating bad standards will sabotage development efforts but a knowledgeable and diverse development team working together should be able to avoid most problems. Proliferate standards, APIs, ISAs, and ABIs instead of hiding them from competitors. A more open source code encourages adoption, adaption and development while becoming expected in some markets. Do not under estimate the importance of compatibility and developer tools. The simplest solution that works well is generally the best choice. Last edited by matthey; 27 June 2017 at 19:48. |
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But, IBM ask Commodore to look on the AmigaOS source code, and in exchange Commodore can port Rexx to Amiga. I have read it at the time in an Amiga magazine. In my timeline, AmigaOS is not our AmigaOS. It's CAOS (the original OS), with ressource tracking, optionnal memory protection (only available for 68020 and after, desactivated for 68000). And from the start Amiga had office sofware. Commodore create it's own, and contracts well knows compagnies to port their to Amiga. Commodore exclusivly do his internal office work on Amiga (they don't use any other PC). Short time after release, a ram and hard drive expansion exist. A network card also. Commodore want the Amiga to be a serious computer. The game market will be a bonus later (but no advertising about Amiga game capabilities at start, only later when Amiga 500 appear, but the ratio is one game advertisement, two to three office/video/graphical advertisement counterpart). Amiga is not a game machine, it's a multimedia computer. Quote:
But in my timeline PC is 68000. And no other platform can emulate an Amiga, while Amiga can emulate all available platform (PC/MAC/ST) and make them multitask without effort. No one can compete with the Amiga at the time, Commodore do nothing to put this forward. But with a better strategy, i think Amiga can be the main platform shortly or the leading technological platform at minimum. Last edited by babsimov; 27 June 2017 at 19:39. |
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Power corrupts. But I would very much like to read this story - does auto translate work? matthey: Quote:
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Try on the first version here : http://www.gamopat-forum.com/t42279-un-monde-sans-pc But the second version is much longer and detailled, especialy from 1980 to 2000. Here the file : http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=...53764351241799 I don't translate it at the time, not needed, and a lot of work for me, as english is not my native language. Very sorry. |
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Thank you very much!
I will read it this weekend. |
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I hope you can read it with auto translate. Have a nice reading.
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I recently read an investment article which mentioned the following.
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C= didn't even make it to the the 3rd "tectonic shift". APPL was nearly eliminated but found their way and played a huge role in the shift. Parallel processing and IoT are obviously large growth areas but there is no mention of the end of Moore's law and the return to efficient (performance/Watt) processing which I see as the main driver to the "tectonic shift" currently occurring. Intel is seen as the big loser of market share with businesses employing ARM and FPGA technologies as the winners. This presents opportunities for new players and technologies where even small advantages are multiplied with parallel processing. I'm not so sure ARM has an advantage over x86_64 as AArch64 needs more cores and caches and Thumb 2 has poor performance. RISC-V 64 bit compressed probably has an advantage in caches over AArch64 and should be descent performance (RISC-V compressed finally challenges x86_64 in code density which isn't that great). An enhanced 68k could have a large advantage in caches, likely stronger cores than all of the RISC offerings, likely good performance/Watt and likely good performance/core but CISC is unpopular other than x86_64 which is the industry leader . |
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@matthey Maybe you'll find this article interesting.
https://phys.org/news/2017-07-greatl...lgorithms.html When AI starts scheduling code execution, things get interesting in super-parallel computing... (and probably ends up with SkyNet ;-) ) |
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[ Show youtube player ] This does not mean that I am overly pessimistic. Computers can do great good. They are a valuable tool. I would like to make them affordable, easy to use and educational for the masses to avoid the classism. I do worry about power, technology and money being concentrated too much while everyone else falls behind and is ignored. I disagree with many of the alternatives to capitalism and democracy which are often worse though. |
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Regarding Jay Miner thoughts on computer: "they made more evil than good right now. IRS using them..."
Do you know what was one of first use of mechanical computers that almost no one mention? Nazi german use mechanical computers to store, count and calculate how much people they need as slaves in factory and how much they need to kill! Look at this: http://jackandthemachine.com Sorry for offtopic but this topic is by my opinion far more important. Btw Great, great talk by Miner! Thanks for sharing! Last edited by kovacm; 20 July 2017 at 18:46. |
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THANKS Gorf for replay.
It is always nice to see that you are not a "crazy one" and alone. |
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I have just recently been reading a book called "Creating Modern Capitalism" which just so happens to have sections on the rise of IBM as an U.S. industrial revolution and capitalism example, the rise of Thyssen as an example of German industrial revolution and capitalism and Rolls-Royce as an example of GB industrial revolution and capitalism (which probably saved them defeat in WWII). I didn't even have to look up most of the information . Last edited by matthey; 21 July 2017 at 14:56. |
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when Apple jump to PowerPC, Apple and IBM had idea about one OS run everything, with different "personalities". Read more here: "The Secrets of Pink, Taligent and Copland" http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/Q4....DD59CEF48.html btw www.roughlydrafted.com is GREAT source of Apple/Microsoft history. btw2 maybe we should split this thread? Remove all talk about psyhopacts and society evolution to another, chat thread? |
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It is important to examine the political and economic environment from a historical perspective. What looked like relatively minor choices at the time had big repercussions later. What if "T.J." Watson had not benefited so much from wars and did not listen to his son about getting into electronic counting machines of which he was reluctant? Would IBM have made the PC so open without the U.S. Justice Department breathing down their necks? What would have happened to the Amiga if Jack Tramiel had gotten sick or in the wrong line in his WWII concentration camp? What would have happened if Jay Miner had lost hope in humanity, government and technology and decided it was better not to make computers? How did the U.S. change of policy to rebuild and re-industrialize West Germany so soon after WWII affect the Amiga with sales in Germany of 1,680,480 and Escom winning the bid to buy the Amiga after the C= bankruptcy? |
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Regarding Taligent, I am not sure that you understand/know what it is. Back in 90s they had idea to make one operating system that will be able to run Windows, OS/2, Mac... software! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taligent |
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TalOS WorkplaceOS->TalOS WorkplaceOS->anyOS->CommonPoint It had poor performance from all the object oriented programming and abstraction layers. Apple bought Next and created OS X instead. Taligent (the business) and IBM tried to market it but there was no software base (compatibility) or distribution with mass produced hardware (reasons for failure as I stated in my previous post). Computer users already had their OS which came with their computer and didn't want to pay for slow add-ons with poor software support. The WorkplaceOS idea was eventually successfully marketed differently as hardware virtualization where it became a hardware value added feature. The CommonPoint user interface (UI) idea has largely been a failure just like Amiga Nowhere. OpenStep was partially successful only because many OSs of the time did not have an advanced UI of their own. It is difficult to make a foreign UI efficient on many different foreign environments. Java has similarities and has struggled with efficiency and gaining market share even as it is free (the Java programming language has found more success though). |
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I mentioned Taligent/CommonPoint in this thread already a few pages back.
I think there is mostly IBM to blame, but it might have been already to late for that since MS had all PC manufacturers on board already. IBM paid/evaluated it's programmers by "lines of code" instead of implemented features. So bloat was rewarded! This made every approach memory and CPU hungry and all IBM software and operating systems suffered from this. |
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IBM/Taligent may not have been that far away from success. If the group could have gained the rights to OpenStep (Taligent could have bought NeXT instead of Apple giving WorkplaceOS->anyOS->OpenStep) which was already supported by developers and some manufacturers (should have improved compatibility and bundling) then it would have been more accepted, at least for higher end computers (much as virtualization is primarily used on higher end computers today). Windows probably would have continued to offer better value for the low end market where an OS with good performance was more important (not that Windows is good performance). It still would have been difficult for the bundlers to provide a choice of bundles while the U.S. Justice Department allowed white crime to pay for M$ (perhaps the reason why Gateway changed their minds about creating an Amiga bundle later). Last edited by matthey; 24 July 2017 at 14:31. |
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