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As a classic user, I'm only interested in a 'new' AGA machine if:
1) It's faster than a real AGA 030 2) It's cheaper than the real thing 3) It's as compatible as the real thing And so far only the FPGA Arcade board comes close.... |
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My NOS 1200 cost a little bit more than that, esp after you add the cost of a decent 030
Anyway the point still stands, if you can buy the original for cheaper then it doesn't make much sense. The problem the Natami crew have is that the more you 'expand' the original chipset, the less compatible it becomes. |
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The people still using, or that are still interessted in the classical (legacy) Amiga.
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As long as it outperforms a A4000/60 I'll be all over it no matter what. Considering the price of a A4000 (or the lesser 1200) with the required expansions to somewhat match the NatAmi (060 accelerator, flickerfixer, mediator etc) - it should be a affordable compared to the real thing as well. |
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I recently bought a minimig , waiting for my ARM controler and my Loriano's box , i liiiiiiiiiiike so much the idea of playing my Amiga games or Workbench in a new Hardware , and if the Natami project becomes a reality i'll put money in it , well i'll stop smoking to buy it ...it's really a great project.
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28 May 2010, 00:36 | #29 |
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As for "cheaper than the real thing", I don't think it has to be.
It has one major advantage... It's new. You shouldn't have to worry about leaking batteries or CAPs or whatever has been spilled on it in it's lifetime. (Yes, you get to spill all of your OWN soda/coffee/tea variations on it!!) So, you'd kind of be comparing it more to NOS type of priced Amigas. Then you throw in a processor accelerator with some memory and a Flicker Fixer, and you're actually getting to the possibility that the Natami might be less expensive than a NOS Amiga 1200 with Mem/Accelerator/FF. ... I hope.. :-) desiv |
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The natami project is great !
As I understand it, they created a Minimig/AGA hybrid 2 years ago, so to reduce costs and increase performance they had to write a DDR2 controller, all timings changed, adapting all componants for highbandwidth and future proof took time. This is stage 1, OCS/ECS testing stage, im sure more videos will come in time. they also requested assistance to speed things along : Quote:
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Sounds very unlikely. The FPGA toolkits you can buy include examples of VHDL/Verilog DDR2 controllers. That cannot possibly have been the bottle neck. It surely has to be man-power + expense of making PCB. |
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Ah, well I know quite a few people that aren't really interested in it and would consider themselves classic Amiga users. Guess it's mainly because they haven't done much yet and it's good that you are patient and trust in them. Just these 'keeping the scene alive' stuff rings all 'vapourware' alarm bells for me
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[quote=alexh;673034]You're dreaming. MiniMig with ARM board and 4Mbyte RAM costs £250. Natami is a doubly expensive PCB, doubly expensive FPGA, 10x more expensive CPU so if it stays similar to what it is now you can expect the price for NatAmi to be in the £500+ mark.
Minimig + 4mb + ARM + Loriano's case = 400 Euros... so you are right here Alexh , Natami will be more expensive. |
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Of course at this price i didn't expect a white and clean machine...but you're right again here.
But if we want a new product it's more expensive , for example the NOS A1200 from Amigakit + accelerator card etc etc , no ? |
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The NOS Amigakit stuff is fast approaching 15 years old so chances are caps etc will need replacing in the not so distant future... depends on storage conditions I guess but they'll have a expiry date no matter if used or not.... retrobrite can sort case yellowness so that's not really an issue and you can pick up brand new A1200 keyboards for little money...
it would be better to just recreate the A1200 PCB... like one of those GB1000 boards Updated for 68030/just slot your custom chips in etc... far nicer for the hobbyist and you could probably get them under £100 if enough people chipped in. |
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here is more info about the changes : a quote about the DDR Quote:
remember the estimated performance for Natami is x150 - x200 cpu speed of an A600 and a x50 DMA performance. But one must code a program to fully take advantage of the new features. |
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