Kickstart 3.9 ROM Beta screenshots & movie

[Mequa]

I have Amiga Forever 2012. My understanding is this still uses Kickstart 3.1 ROM to boot AmigaOS 3.9 (confirmed by a browse in the "rom" directory), however I have found it rather slow in booting 3.9 under WinUAE.
The included Amiga Walker prototype's Kickstart 3.2 beta ROM also seems to boot 3.9 just fine, as does some recent AROS/68k nightly builds.
3.9 still boots much, much slower than 3.1, or even AROS/68k with Wanderer.

If it is possible to rip my own 3.9 ROMs to boot it faster (which I have the licence for), I would be interested in doing this.

[FOL]

Originally Posted by Mequa

I have Amiga Forever 2012. My understanding is this still uses Kickstart 3.1 ROM to boot AmigaOS 3.9 (confirmed by a browse in the "rom" directory), however I have found it rather slow in booting 3.9 under WinUAE.
The included Amiga Walker prototype's Kickstart 3.2 beta ROM also seems to boot 3.9 just fine, as does some recent AROS/68k nightly builds.
3.9 still boots much, much slower than 3.1, or even AROS/68k with Wanderer.

If it is possible to rip my own 3.9 ROMs to boot it faster (which I have the licence for), I would be interested in doing this.

Theres another thread on here that tell you how to build your own rom using remus. Think the thread is called "problems burning 1MB ROM"

[Amiga1992]

Originally Posted by FOL

Sending a ROM to someone to burn to a ROM is not discussing.

Sending your ROM to be burned by someone to get it back in real form is in no way piracy. I am not going to buy a fucking eprom burner just to use it once.

This kind of mentality is more hindering rather than helpful

[mfilos]

Or you can follow the guide I wrote sometime ago with lotsa pics and explaining...

http://mfilos.blogspot.com/p/guides.html

[FOL]

Originally Posted by Akira

This kind of mentality is more hindering rather than helpful

EDIT:- Cant be bothered, already tried calming this down.
Maybe I quoted the wrong person to start with.

[Ratte]

http://www.a1k.org/forum/showpost.ph...5&postcount=77

english:
http://www.microsofttranslator.com/b...postcount%3D77

[gulliver]

Originally Posted by Ratte

http://www.a1k.org/forum/showpost.ph...5&postcount=77

english:
http://www.microsofttranslator.com/b...postcount%3D77

Very cool!

Now, which is the exec.library offset we need to modify the value to change the background color?

And, could you please explain the method you used to replace the "insert floppy" screen?

Again, it would be really cool if we could modify our roms to suit our personal cosmetic tastes

[Ratte]

its part of romboot, not exec
you must know the position of romboot in your rom
then you must know the offset inside of your version from your romboot
its not absolute ... not a simple c64-style peek/poke-job

[xArtx]

Originally Posted by gulliver

Very cool!

Now, which is the exec.library offset we need to modify the value to change the background color?

And, could you please explain the method you used to replace the "insert floppy" screen?

Again, it would be really cool if we could modify our roms to suit our personal cosmetic tastes

It can be done with a very simple program for every KS I've looked at
(the insert WB screen I mean). I'm surprised noone has made it easier.

To change the background colour... have you determined the original colour values to go looking for?

[Ratte]

Originally Posted by xArtx

It can be done with a very simple program for every KS I've looked at
(the insert WB screen I mean). I'm surprised noone has made it easier.

To change the background colour... have you determined the original colour values to go looking for?

Oh thats interresting, can you tell us more.
Whats the name of the program and how does it work.

Btw. we are talking about a romboot with 4,5 kb size showing a 16 color hires-nonlace animation.

I used code that "paints" every part of the screen, it´s no raw-style data inside.

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=DQ2A9-ZUCP4
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=SzxxXAQYxow

[xArtx]

Originally Posted by Ratte

Oh thats interresting, can you tell us more.
Whats the name of the program and how does it work.

Btw. we are talking about a romboot with 4,5 kb size showing a 16 color hires-nonlace animation.

I used code that "paints" every part of the screen, it´s no raw-style data inside.

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=DQ2A9-ZUCP4
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=SzxxXAQYxow

By having the user provide the Copyright KS file that is loaded into an array
of the same size, then replacing only the non-copyright part that you provide
with the program, then saving the result array to a new KS file.

"Every KS I've looked at" is an important qualifier here,
which doesn't include anything other than the hand holding blue disk screen,
so I don't know if anything is done differently since then.
You are saying the screen is drawn programatically so you can't see the image data?
That would be a change since the original screen.

Up until then (at least),
simply ignore the file type an load KS into a program that views the file as a
bitmap with variable alignment and variable (bits per pixel) property,
and play from there.
All intuition graphics (fonts, window borders, default pointer, gadgets etc.)
are clearly visible, and so are the "Amiga", "Workbench", "V1.2/3" bitmaps.

I do know that the original A1000 bootstrap is tight, and they had to make it
tricky.
The "Amiga" bitmap is still visible in that one though.



I did have a play, but simply not motivated.
I would do it to a real Amiga, but for UAE, I would prefer the original screen.

[Ratte]

V1.x is with graphics, thats true.
If you know "Twinkick" for the A1000 .. I changed "V1.3" to "Twinkick V1.3" on the bootscreen.
Since V1.4 (pre2.0) the bootscreen is coded.
All elements are drawn, checkmark (or boingball), diskdrive and disk.
The copyright-text is taken from exec-string.

[xArtx]

So that's not going to be much fun for the user producing different graphics
Still, such a program with set options sounds easy since the grunt work is done.

I did one to patch firmware files for Garmin handheld GPS units where their interface
provides no option for custom intro screens/wallpapers,
but that was 8-16 bit bitmaps... from there, I checked the image the user provided was
of the expected dimensions, bit depth, etc.
Like I said though, in the case of an emulator, a program pretending to be an Amiga,
I think it's contrary to customise the emulated Amiga that way.

I took a quick look at 3.1, and can see only some things clear.. intuition and fonts look the same.
I see a hammer head.. don't know what that's for?
If you have a real Amiga, I think a patch program would def be a winner.

[xArtx]

Thinking of it, I don't know if there'd be trouble for giving away the boing ball?

and then this:

at the time I thought, a ROM patcher that did that would be well received on the
particular forum, but I'm not sure you get to extend the length of the original "Amiga" bitmap to say something else.
(and the longer wrist is stupid anyway.

I don't think a Sony PSP program will be any good for Amiga land:
http://www.freewebs.com/defxev/Legend.htm
but extended it to PC.
It can view in monochrome, 8 bit (with some random palette), 16bit (RGB565), and 24 bit.
but I think the Amiga (bitplanes you might call them) layers are between 1 and 8 bit where 1 pixel is worth 4 bits or so.
It needs a tweak for that in the case of "Amiga", "Workbench", or "V1.3" text, etc.
The actual blue disk might still be RLE or something.

[FOL]

Originally Posted by xArtx

Thinking of it, I don't know if there'd be trouble for giving away the boing ball?

I think there maybe as Hyperion have exclusive rights to the Boing Ball.

[xArtx]

Yah, and that might be the case (concerning any distribution) even if you made it yourself.
Well if I ever win the millions, I'll buy the whole thing and give it back.

[Ratte]

Thats the problem of nearly every boingbag#3/4 module.
The only legal way is a patchfile for the existing romboot.

I still had no time to execute "scompare" to create a "spatch"-file :-P

[Ratte]

Originally Posted by FOL

I think there maybe as Hyperion have exclusive rights to the Boing Ball.

they cant own the rights to this special romboot
its based on a amiga tech. work from 1998
http://www.gregdonner.org/workbench/wb_b32_40.html

os4-development started in 2001
http://web.archive.org/web/200201310...1amigaos4.html

and its 68k-code, not ppc

[FOL]

Originally Posted by Ratte

they cant own the rights to this special romboot
its based on a amiga tech. work from 1998
http://www.gregdonner.org/workbench/wb_b32_40.html

os4-development started in 2001
http://web.archive.org/web/200201310...1amigaos4.html

and its 68k-code, not ppc

We are talking about the boing ball image.

[chocolate_boy]

Originally Posted by Ratte

Oh thats interresting, can you tell us more.
Whats the name of the program and how does it work.

Btw. we are talking about a romboot with 4,5 kb size showing a 16 color hires-nonlace animation.

I used code that "paints" every part of the screen, it´s no raw-style data inside.

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=DQ2A9-ZUCP4
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=SzxxXAQYxow

Love the way your disk insert screen looks, and that you kept the correct dimensions for the boing ball! They couldn't figure this out in AmigaOs 4 it seems and instead squished the ball to fit the same space as the tick, the result is that it looks more like a rugby ball! http://www.gregdonner.org/workbench/...b_40_boot1.jpg