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The very first Competition Pro models were made by Suzo. With metal construction.
http://dykodesigns.woelmuis.nl/suzo_joysticks-en.html http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competition_Pro |
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What about dynamics marketing then? ;-)
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05 August 2014, 19:50 | #1347 | |
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The answer for Chameleon is easy: No restrictions at all. I'd like to know if this is true for these optimizations with the SCPU before we add this to the Wiki. After all, we're just having this conversation because we wanted to create a fair comparison, right? Jens |
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The Chameleon also needs to mirror writes to C64 memory in order to allow the VIC to see it, unless you settled with using the emulated VIC only, but that's cheating to say the least. Judging by the Wiki results, the Chameleon either doesn't mirror memory at all, or only mirrors the required memory, just as the SCPU did when I ran the test. The same goes for the ZP results, if all memory indeed is mirrored to the C64 memory, one can never achieve a 20x speedup. That issues is shared between the SCPU and Chameleon. With the SCPU it's easy to set it to mirror ZP (and Stack area) as well. I assume you can do something similar with the Chameleon, but I don't have one so don't know how that's done. |
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I don't agree. The wiki states that "Shown in the table are the measured values with screen switched off and all possible optimizations" and yet I've proven that, for the specific benchmark, you can get identical behavior, but improved performance, by actually enabling "all possible optimizations" on a SCPU. Yes, it's easy to intentionally modify the benchmark to make it blow up with the BASIC optimization setting on a SCPU, but I fail to see how that relevant. The Chameleon may be easier to use, much like a 68k Amiga accelerator is easier to use than a PPC one, but I wouldn't call my 68060@80 Apollo superior compared to my 603e@200 Blizzard since the PPC can easily run circles around the 68k by using appropriate software. On the other hand, any C64 accelerator is rather pointless since 99% of the C64 software relies on specific timing and/or a fixed frame rate and doesn't benefit from a faster CPU. |
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Then there's the extended VIC bit of the C128, that also enables 2MHz mode in C64 mode, which is being used by decrunchers and even games like "new Uridium" and "new Paradroid". You can choose the Chameleon turbo to use this extended bit, so all software that makes use of the C128 2MHz mode can also take advantage of the Chameleon turbo. You can limit the Chameleon turbo to a certain speed in increments of 1MHz, so you can also get the exact same speed as a C128 in C64 mode at 2MHz (with the difference that the display won't be garbled). In addition to that, we have an "IEC sensitive" setting that slows down to the original C64 timing when IEC (=floppy) accesses are taking place. This way, even software that has it's own fast loader will work flawlessly. As a result, you can run GEOS and high-spec applications such as Printfox at speeds that are truly amazing. Even Amiga DTP applications of the time don't get the execution speed of Printfox on the Chameleon. Granted, many games are not playable with the turbo switched on. Here's where all the compatibility won't help: While the SCPU won't even let you start those games due to incompatibilities, you'll be confronted with a quick "game over" or some funny-broken graphics if the game doesn't like the higher CPU speed of the Chameleon. This is where you need to press the menu button, switch off turbo and let the game continue to run on a non-accelerated C64. The turbo is really not meant for games, but for applications. There's quite a few customers who still use the C64 in a productive environment, much like there's quite a few of us who still use the Amiga in some productive manner. You just don't meet these people every day in the supermarket ;-) Jens |
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@Schoenfeld
The difference between what the car maker advertises and the SCPU is that you actually can reach the maximum performance in a lot of real life situations with the SCPU. Yes, there are limitations, and unofficial opcodes can never work. Still, being able to enable the "turbo" can be quite handy at times. The SCPU can also be switchen between 1MHz and 20MHz while running, in case a timing sensitive loader or similar doesn't like the faster CPU. After loading you set the SCPU to 20MHz again. There's a switch on the SCPU for that purpose. And, as stated, there is even a mode called GEOS optimization in order to get the most out of that software (which I used to write reports for school back in the days ). The 16-bit mode of the 65816 and the 16MB of RAM may also come in handy in case you feel like producing some software on your own. Heck, I even made DOOM run on the SCPU, just because I could. |
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Yeah - got to update that as well. Work on the USB module has taken way more time than anticipated, so the C64 Reloaded is behind. It's still not on top priority now, because we *must* go online with the new website this coming week: We'll be spreading flyers at the GamesCom fair (Cologne, Germany), and it would be really bad if people still get the old site. Jens |
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14 August 2014, 02:28 | #1355 |
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Need more info on Pal NTSC Switch?
Hello Jens (Schoenfeld),
I need to verify something concerning the 64 reloaded new motherboard you currently are in the process of developing. I was under the impression that your motherboard would go from Pal to NTSC and back with just a switch? However, it looks like this is not true? I have games from both Europe and the United States. If I want many people in a building to play any game on the commodore system (Europe or US), then I need to load that game on the region specific computer. However, this is frustrating and a hassle. I would rather press a switch and use the same computer. To my knowledge, the c64 computers from all regions are the same except the video signal (Pal or NTSC) and the Power Frequency (50hz for Pal and 60hz for NTSC). So, how hard could it be to switch between two video modes and make a switch for the power frequency. I must admit that the average person today will not mess with the Chamelon (Multi Cartrdge) device and I see no reason to do so today. The only thing that might be nice is to save a level and come back to it and I can already do that with Super Snapshot Cartridge. Finally, if I am not mistaken, then would this system you're currently producing considered to be a Pal only unit? PS: I might be interested in one Pal Unit but honestly I would be interested in a whole lab of these motherboards if they had the Pal and Ntsc switch. You must realize that great games can be found in the US and Europe. There is not just one region of good games available. In my opinion, if you want to make your motherboard a big hit then you need a multi national system that will run all formats. But it is up to you whether this product is a big hit or just a mediocre attempt! By the way, I sent three email requests or three generated tickets and no one has responded to me regarding your New c64 reloaded motherboard on your Individual Computer's Website. I finally decided to look on Lemon only to find you on this Web forum. So, I don't know if you're backed up significantly but I find two weeks waiting for a response to my inquires on Individual Computers Website to be incredibly frustrating. I hope this changes because I think some people might consider not to do business with you when this sort of thing is going on. However, I am pretty forgiving on such matters because I want everyone to enjoy retro things more for the fun aspect and not the business aspect of things. I look forward to your oppinion on this! |
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Making a board that has both VIC-II chips would be way more complicated than making two boards. The VIC-II chip is "the bus master" for the whole computer, and it has no means of leaving the bus to another master. Switching between the chips would involve quite some logic which would affect signal timing - not a good idea if you want to have a 100% compatible unit. Quote:
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You can ask many customers from the Amiga and C64 scene who have used my ticket system before; I'm answering support questions *very* quickly (usually under 24 hours). However, there's a huge number of unclaimed tickets for the C64 Reloaded, waiting to be pointed to a part of the new website that will hopefully go online in the next few days. If you want to relay this information to your friends on Lemon (where I'm also registered, but don't drop by so often), it might help calming potential customers :-) Jens Last edited by Schoenfeld; 14 August 2014 at 15:23. |
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@64greatjcb if you are using Hotmail like I do it's possible that you will find IC's email on your "Non desired mail" drawer. That happened once to me with their emails.
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Retrofan: Hotmail is completely blocking me now, my server doesn't even get to the point where an eMail is transferred.
If Hotmail decides to split the internet into "good and bad mailers", then so be it. It's a free service anyway, so why complain that it's not working? I mean, what do you expect from Microsoft? Jens |
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New Website and Suggested email provider?
Thanks Jens (Schoenfeld) for your quick response back. Since your reply, I feel much better about the emails not getting to you. Could you list on this forum the link to the new website that will soon be coming up so I can better know what is going on with the new C64 reloaded computer system. Also, I did not realize Hotmail was so bad about dealing with emails. What email provider do you suggest looking at? Could you provide a few providers that are reasonable in terms of cost? Thanks for your time.
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If you want something truly safe where your favourite 3-letter-service can't read your communication, you'll have to setup your own server and place that outside the US. And that will probably put you on the same list with this German guy who is just very interested in cryptography ;-) Jens |
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