I don't want to be the cause of more arguments, but...

MethodGit · 14 January 2004, 19:23

I've noticed that a certain reviewer cursed somewhat by a certain game/series has just posted a long story about the whole deal, complete with a timeline detailing a lot of stuff.

Would've posted this in the thread below, but well, you know...

Amiga1992 · 14 January 2004, 19:35

Marz posted news which are fresh, and PROVIDED A LINK?

OMFG!

MethodGit · 14 January 2004, 20:19

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Originally posted by Akira
Marz posted news which are fresh, and PROVIDED A LINK?

OMFG!

Pfeh!

Since when did I ever post an out-of-date link in my boardtime?

Dizzy · 14 January 2004, 20:52

Well normaly you don't post any link.....

KombatSanta · 14 January 2004, 21:47

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Kick Off fans – it’s time to let go.

Why? If you are a fan.. keep playing!

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Dino Dini, who’s been writing the same game over and over for 25 years to ever-diminishing returns and acclaim in a desperate and slightly tragic attempt to recapture long-lost glories – it’s time to try something else, man.

If there are people interrested in the games, then I see no reason in not developing it further.

tin · 14 January 2004, 21:49

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

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Let’s nail this once and for all, shall we? After 14 years, I’m thoroughly tired of STILL being whined at, personally attacked and outright libelled by hysterical Kick Off fans and authors pathologically unable to accept that someone might not like the same game as them. But there's no point in arguing it on the basis of opinion. (“It’s shit!”; “No it isn’t, it’s good!”; “In fact, you’ll find it’s shit!”, and so on until everyone's dead.)

Well stop then. There's only 1 person I can see bringing it up!

fisken uno · 14 January 2004, 22:02

Yeah, I think he seems to be pretty keen on telling everyone what he thinks about Kick Off. Perhaps if he himself quitted saying that KO is shite, those "hysterical Kick Off fans" might not get so pissed... Heh.

JudasEZT · 14 January 2004, 22:24

In 8bits I ever preferred EmlynHughes over MicroproseSoccer.
In 16 bits I ever preferred KickOff games over SensibleSoccer.
Nowadays I prefer Goal! to every 3d soccer game (specially boring Fifa´s)

Also I preferred CannonFodder1 over CannonFodder2 (on which this Stuart participed)

P-J · 14 January 2004, 23:26

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Originally posted by fisken uno
Yeah, I think he seems to be pretty keen on telling everyone what he thinks about Kick Off. Perhaps if he himself quitted saying that KO is shite, those "hysterical Kick Off fans" might not get so pissed... Heh.

I think the dude has had hate mail ever since working for Amiga Power, so he's entitled to set the record straight. Especially on his own website.

Peanutuk · 14 January 2004, 23:34

Grrrrrrrrrrrrr.

I used to respect Stuart Campbell back in the day.

I think a changed has occured however; I am no longer 13, but Stuart is.

fisken uno · 14 January 2004, 23:45

What I meant was that the guy seems to argue too much in black or white. In the other thread, I don't think he had a single good thing to say about KO... I mean, just because he thinks it's not as good as SWOS. Then he's gotta hate KO. Kick Off had several flaws that SWOS didn't, but nontheless it's a classic game. I just think he should soften his attitude slightly... It seems pretty pointless to me to argue about which is the "best" because although they both are soccer games they're still quite different and both have their fans. Neither one is shite and neither one is the best ever.

P-J · 14 January 2004, 23:48

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Originally posted by fisken uno
What I meant was that the guy seems to argue too much in black or white. In the other thread, I don't think he had a single good thing to say about KO... I mean, just because he thinks it's not as good as SWOS. Then he's gotta hate KO. Kick Off had several flaws that SWOS didn't, but nontheless it's a classic game. I just think he should soften his attitude slightly... It seems pretty pointless to me to argue about which is the "best" because although they both are soccer games they're still quite different and both have their fans. Neither one is shite and neither one is the best ever.

...but Fisken, as we've said all along it's about opinions

You say neither one is shite, but I consider Kick Off (and more so Kick Off 2) to be one of the worst football games I've ever played-- Believe me, I've played it.

You say neither one is the best ever, and that's a very sweeping statement. I believe SWOS is the best football game ever.

Who is right? Technically neither of us, and both of us.

At the risk of 'crossing borders' I'm beginning to feel where this guy (Stuart Campbell) is coming from. Although his thread in that CM forum was created a little hastily, he didn't attack anyone unless provoked as far as I can tell and looking back through other forums and correspondence it seems to be that's he's the one being attacked.

As he said, he's never personally attacked Dino Dini and as far as I'm concerned, journalism is about the right to express an opinion, which he did and got flamed for. It just so happened he did it in a relatively popular Amiga magazine to the audience of a few zealots who had a seriously unhealthy obsession for that game.

If you don't concur with a magazines' reviews, you change magazine. That's why there's a choice on offer.

fisken uno · 15 January 2004, 00:43

Ok.

I've got fever tonight, so I gotta admit that I can't think very clearly. However, I guess what I wanted to say was probably: I don't like his attitude. But that's just MY opinion

Now I gotta sleep and get better from this fucking cold, my throat's killing me.

FromWithin · 15 January 2004, 01:26

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Originally posted by P-J
You say neither one is shite, but I consider Kick Off (and more so Kick Off 2) to be one of the worst football games I've ever played-- Believe me, I've played it.

I take that you always got beat then?

Marlon · 15 January 2004, 02:09

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Originally posted by FromWithin
I take that you always got beat then?

Hey man, I was an absolute GOD at Kick Off 2, I and STILL think Sensi is the better game (a God at that, too). Modesty; thy name is Marlon

Fred the Fop · 15 January 2004, 05:58

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Originally posted by MethodGit
Pfeh! Since when did I ever post an out-of-date link in my boardtime?

Good thing you did not post a link to those stupid internet dolls like you did in your Marz retard days.

7-Zark-7 · 15 January 2004, 07:38

If I do have one problem with Stu Cambell's site,it's regarding the info on Microprose Soccer. Yes, he got the intial release on C64 right, but why the heck does he relate to review scores in Crash & Your Sinclair,which I'd understand to be Speccy reviews?

Surely, Zzap! & C.U. would've been a tad more relevant, in those days Jon Hare & Chris Yates were a 2 man outfit for the most part,(Apart from the brilliant Martin Galway assisting in the sonics for their stuff), & only programmed for the C64.

P-J · 15 January 2004, 10:31

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Originally posted by fisken uno
Ok.

I've got fever tonight, so I gotta admit that I can't think very clearly. However, I guess what I wanted to say was probably: I don't like his attitude. But that's just MY opinion

...and it's PERFECTLY valid!

KombatSanta · 15 January 2004, 23:10

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Originally posted by fisken uno

Now I gotta sleep and get better from this fucking cold, my throat's killing me.

your throat is not sore because of the cold... you slut you!

manicx · 16 January 2004, 09:34

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Originally posted by Marlon
Hey man, I was an absolute GOD at Kick Off 2, I and STILL think Sensi is the better game (a God at that, too).

Why don't you try to attend any KO2 tournaments in England then? The UK championships will take place in May, probably in Nottingham. You don't have to play, you can just pop in, say hello and have a few pints with the guys.

14 January 2004, 19:23	#1
MethodGit Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The Streets Age: 40 Posts: 2,731	I don't want to be the cause of more arguments, but... I've noticed that a certain reviewer cursed somewhat by a certain game/series has just posted a long story about the whole deal, complete with a timeline detailing a lot of stuff. Would've posted this in the thread below, but well, you know...

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14 January 2004, 19:35	#2
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,646	Marz posted news which are fresh, and PROVIDED A LINK? OMFG!

14 January 2004, 20:52	#4
Dizzy Pirate Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Denmark Posts: 3,395	Well normaly you don't post any link.....

14 January 2004, 22:02	#7
fisken uno Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Sweden Age: 43 Posts: 716	Yeah, I think he seems to be pretty keen on telling everyone what he thinks about Kick Off. Perhaps if he himself quitted saying that KO is shite, those "hysterical Kick Off fans" might not get so pissed... Heh.

14 January 2004, 22:24	#8
JudasEZT Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: mercury Posts: 577	In 8bits I ever preferred EmlynHughes over MicroproseSoccer. In 16 bits I ever preferred KickOff games over SensibleSoccer. Nowadays I prefer Goal! to every 3d soccer game (specially boring Fifa´s) Also I preferred CannonFodder1 over CannonFodder2 (on which this Stuart participed)

14 January 2004, 23:34	#10
Peanutuk Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The North, UK Age: 45 Posts: 1,082	Grrrrrrrrrrrrr. I used to respect Stuart Campbell back in the day. I think a changed has occured however; I am no longer 13, but Stuart is.

14 January 2004, 23:45	#11
fisken uno Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Sweden Age: 43 Posts: 716	What I meant was that the guy seems to argue too much in black or white. In the other thread, I don't think he had a single good thing to say about KO... I mean, just because he thinks it's not as good as SWOS. Then he's gotta hate KO. Kick Off had several flaws that SWOS didn't, but nontheless it's a classic game. I just think he should soften his attitude slightly... It seems pretty pointless to me to argue about which is the "best" because although they both are soccer games they're still quite different and both have their fans. Neither one is shite and neither one is the best ever.

15 January 2004, 00:43	#13
fisken uno Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Sweden Age: 43 Posts: 716	Ok. I've got fever tonight, so I gotta admit that I can't think very clearly. However, I guess what I wanted to say was probably: I don't like his attitude. But that's just MY opinion Now I gotta sleep and get better from this fucking cold, my throat's killing me.

15 January 2004, 07:38	#17
7-Zark-7 Zone Friend Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Brisbane/Australia Posts: 1,270	If I do have one problem with Stu Cambell's site,it's regarding the info on Microprose Soccer. Yes, he got the intial release on C64 right, but why the heck does he relate to review scores in Crash & Your Sinclair,which I'd understand to be Speccy reviews? Surely, Zzap! & C.U. would've been a tad more relevant, in those days Jon Hare & Chris Yates were a 2 man outfit for the most part,(Apart from the brilliant Martin Galway assisting in the sonics for their stuff), & only programmed for the C64.

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