Individual Computers - New accelerator cards for A600 & A1200 - Page 113

RMK · 25 November 2011, 20:30

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Originally Posted by roy bates

to be honest i would like to see some 040 or 060 cards,but it may never happen because not many peaple want to pay for the high price tags.

ok,please please jens make an 040 or 060 based card,even if its in a small batch,and please make it with 128mb of ram.

You'd probably need a batch size of about 500 to make it worth while at a reasonable price.

khph_re · 25 November 2011, 20:35

That NatAmi team have said accelerator makers can use 050 they are making, but they don't have time to do it themselves. So there is hope of a beefier accelerator.

ancalimon · 25 November 2011, 21:02

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Originally Posted by RMK

You'd probably need a batch size of about 500 to make it worth while at a reasonable price.

I'm sure if there was an accelerator that was closer to 060 in speed and had RTG, every single active A1200 user without a PPC + a RTG solution would be interested in buying one.

I don't know how many active A1200 users exist without a RTG solution. Probably more than 1000 So all of them would be interested in running AmigaOS3 at very high speeds in 24 or 32 bit at HD resolutions.

We don't really need a 060 without a proper RTG. It's in vain. On the other hand a 030 with RTG would be much better.

prowler · 25 November 2011, 23:54

Please let's get back on topic. This thread is for discussing the actual hardware, not speculating about future accelerator and expansion developments. Thankyou.

Photon · 27 November 2011, 14:48

I'd say put in modern off the shelf PC rams like 2x1GB and limit it at 512MB which is the Amiga limit. That way the accelerator would be cheaper (crazy, innit?), a soldered on special SRAM would be hard to replace if it went bad.

But yeah Prowler is right, it's all to easy to start dreaming of the Ultimate Amiga eh?

I've said my piece and will shut up now.

vroom6sri · 30 November 2011, 11:13

Right! I deserve a treat for my Amiga me thinks and so I am considering selling my most excellent ACA 1230/28 to get either one of these 1231/42 cards or going that extra mile and getting a 56mhz version (assuming they are being made still). Not being technically minded do the results Jens posted here about the 42's performance mean it's likely to be an ass-kicker? Will Doom and other 3d intensive games like AB3D II run fast?

roy bates · 30 November 2011, 13:49

doom will be nice as it doesent have that much overhead,but ab3d 2 hmm,well that might be a problem it needs at least an 040(it will run on an 030) because it has a dire framerate even with an 060.

sorry if its off topic,i just wanted to answer this.

vroom6sri · 30 November 2011, 15:26

Thanks for the info, Roy. If there are any more of the 56 cards produced I'd love to get one but will probably end up talking myself out of it!

I didn't think my query was off topic though. This thread is about the ACA cards in general isn't it? IE speculating on what finished units will be capable of, cost, etc.

roy bates · 30 November 2011, 15:34

true,i just dont know because of the querry about the games performance.

prowler · 30 November 2011, 22:02

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Originally Posted by roy bates

sorry if its off topic,i just wanted to answer this.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vroom6sri

I didn't think my query was off topic though. This thread is about the ACA cards in general isn't it? IE speculating on what finished units will be capable of, cost, etc.

Quote:

Originally Posted by roy bates

true,i just dont know because of the querry about the games performance.

This sort of exchange is fine, since you're discussing the performance expected of the real hardware.

What would drag the thread off-topic is going on to discuss performance of games in general or how accelerators could be designed to improve overall gaming experience, for example.

roy bates · 01 December 2011, 15:39

cheers prowler,i do drag conversations off topic sometimes,not perposely though.

vroom6sri · 14 December 2011, 23:34

Think I've talked myself into buying a new ACA accelerator but when are the 1230/42 or rather a new batch of 1230/56 accelerators likely to emerge? Amigakit?

Mr B · 15 December 2011, 04:38

It's 1231/42 i believe. And well, as far as we know, they should be out... "Soon"
B!

MrCheese · 15 December 2011, 12:18

I keep seeing the phrase PPC + RTG but have no idea what it means. Would any kind person let me know please?

Predseda · 15 December 2011, 12:34

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Originally Posted by MrCheese

I keep seeing the phrase PPC + RTG but have no idea what it means. Would any kind person let me know please?

PPC stands for PowerPC processor, RTG stands for Retargetable graphics imo.

FOL · 15 December 2011, 13:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Predseda

PPC stands for PowerPC processor, RTG stands for Retargetable graphics imo.

RTG = Real Time Graphics.

fitzsteve · 15 December 2011, 13:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by FOL

RTG = Real Time Graphics.

I'm sure it's:

ReTargetable Graphics

MrCheese · 15 December 2011, 14:05

Ahh thank you all. PowerPC processor is straightforward. Hmm so what does Retargetable graphics mean?

Predseda · 15 December 2011, 14:11

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Originally Posted by MrCheese

Ahh thank you all. PowerPC processor is straightforward. Hmm so what does Retargetable graphics mean?

It is the graphic produced through the graphic card, not from the native Amiga graphic chipset.

MrCheese · 15 December 2011, 14:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Predseda

It is the graphic produced through the graphic card, not from the native Amiga graphic chipset.

Ahh right. Presumably this only benefits Workbench, running at higher resolution and / or refresh rates as games wouldn't know how to use the new hardware?

27 November 2011, 14:48	#2245
Photon Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Hult / Sweden Posts: 4,596	I'd say put in modern off the shelf PC rams like 2x1GB and limit it at 512MB which is the Amiga limit. That way the accelerator would be cheaper (crazy, innit?), a soldered on special SRAM would be hard to replace if it went bad. But yeah Prowler is right, it's all to easy to start dreaming of the Ultimate Amiga eh? I've said my piece and will shut up now. Last edited by Photon; 27 November 2011 at 17:11.

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25 November 2011, 20:35	#2242
khph_re Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Northampton/UK Posts: 249	That NatAmi team have said accelerator makers can use 050 they are making, but they don't have time to do it themselves. So there is hope of a beefier accelerator.

25 November 2011, 23:54	#2244
prowler Global Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sidcup, England Posts: 10,300	Please let's get back on topic. This thread is for discussing the actual hardware, not speculating about future accelerator and expansion developments. Thankyou.

30 November 2011, 11:13	#2246
vroom6sri Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Peterborough Age: 42 Posts: 584	Right! I deserve a treat for my Amiga me thinks and so I am considering selling my most excellent ACA 1230/28 to get either one of these 1231/42 cards or going that extra mile and getting a 56mhz version (assuming they are being made still). Not being technically minded do the results Jens posted here about the 42's performance mean it's likely to be an ass-kicker? Will Doom and other 3d intensive games like AB3D II run fast?

30 November 2011, 13:49	#2247
roy bates Registered User Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: birmingham Age: 50 Posts: 2,824	doom will be nice as it doesent have that much overhead,but ab3d 2 hmm,well that might be a problem it needs at least an 040(it will run on an 030) because it has a dire framerate even with an 060. sorry if its off topic,i just wanted to answer this.

30 November 2011, 15:26	#2248
vroom6sri Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Peterborough Age: 42 Posts: 584	Thanks for the info, Roy. If there are any more of the 56 cards produced I'd love to get one but will probably end up talking myself out of it! I didn't think my query was off topic though. This thread is about the ACA cards in general isn't it? IE speculating on what finished units will be capable of, cost, etc.

30 November 2011, 15:34	#2249
roy bates Registered User Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: birmingham Age: 50 Posts: 2,824	true,i just dont know because of the querry about the games performance.

01 December 2011, 15:39	#2251
roy bates Registered User Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: birmingham Age: 50 Posts: 2,824	cheers prowler,i do drag conversations off topic sometimes,not perposely though.

14 December 2011, 23:34	#2252
vroom6sri Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Peterborough Age: 42 Posts: 584	Think I've talked myself into buying a new ACA accelerator but when are the 1230/42 or rather a new batch of 1230/56 accelerators likely to emerge? Amigakit?

15 December 2011, 04:38	#2253
Mr B Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 749	It's 1231/42 i believe. And well, as far as we know, they should be out... "Soon" B!

15 December 2011, 12:18	#2254
MrCheese Registered User Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Manchester Posts: 91	I keep seeing the phrase PPC + RTG but have no idea what it means. Would any kind person let me know please?

15 December 2011, 14:05	#2258
MrCheese Registered User Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Manchester Posts: 91	Ahh thank you all. PowerPC processor is straightforward. Hmm so what does Retargetable graphics mean?

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