Quake 3 on Classic - Page 8

Cowcat · 20 December 2017, 13:20

About some maps not working or randomly crashing:

q3dm0 (the first level of full game) or q3dm7 have a weird issue that happens when portals/mirrors exist in the game level.

Can't test q3dm0 -it hangs the game as soon is loaded- but loading q3dm7 using "devmap" you can test it. No bots.

The teleport is near the open space where you see the lava. Going down there's a path open and you can see a skeleton & inside the room is the portal.

If you don't pick objects or shoot, everything seems to work, the other side of the portal is viewed and you can cross. As soon you shoot or pick something there, game crashes.

Now playing with bots is where the "randomness" happens: My theory is whatever bots do, picking objects or shooting when they are near the path of the portal you bet for a crash. It explains to me that only once I could do the whole match.

Maybe updating the sources, bit by bit fix this weird problem. No problem with linux versions using same source.

Marlon kindly updated stuff on github to the last alpha.

BULI · 21 December 2017, 01:09

I can't hear sound/music in Q3.

When I "turn on" sound (via config file or console)
s_initsound 1
sndbits 8 (also tested without this option- nothing has changed)
(from console addition snd_restart)

I have freeze game and white screen after while loading in old sonnet.library (powerpc.library).

With new Sonnet.libarary (powerpc.library) i have reset computer after while loading.

I was trying 8bit DMA and 8bit stereo ++

I have AHI 4.18

Quake3 Alpha5 and Alpha7 without sound works fine.
Any idea?

Cowcat · 21 December 2017, 09:10

Hedeon found a working combination with different gfx settings and sound. Read on this thread.

Cowcat · 21 December 2017, 13:45

Interesting:

The levels mentioned before work when you create a multiplayer server with another computer & play against it:

No crash and the 68k version works in that situation

As a note 68k version only worked when a demo/timedemo was running.

So the server side of this version is buggy & worked for WOS by the almighty powerpc magic....

Time to look at server side code.

BULI · 23 December 2017, 00:53

I changed cvar "com_hunkmegs" to "48" and now Sound work fine.

Probably was problem with memory.

Thank you Hedeon and Cowcat.

trixster · 23 December 2017, 18:21

Good suggestion, sound now works ok for me! It drops the "timedemo four" fps by about 3fps

BULI · 28 December 2017, 16:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by trixster

Good suggestion, sound now works ok for me! It drops the "timedemo four" fps by about 3fps

I have the same, but now, after changing few options (like 11khz etc) it drops about 2FPS (demo four)

Reynolds · 29 December 2017, 09:58

Could someone please summarize, where are we actually? Min specs, working/failing configs, needed data files' versions, etc.

Thanks in advance.

Cowcat · 29 December 2017, 11:14

Quote:

needed data files' versions

Demo pak files should work.

Full game summarize: The paks needed are from latest updated version. Where are those? -> Ioquake3 web site has the latest ones (pak1-pak8).

grelbfarlk · 29 December 2017, 19:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reynolds

Could someone please summarize, where are we actually? Min specs, working/failing configs, needed data files' versions, etc.

Thanks in advance.

Apparently anyone with a Sonnet and 192MB of PPC memory and a Voodoo 3 should work.

BULI · 29 December 2017, 21:58

Yes, it works, but sometimes, like in first demo map (with sound) is not enough free memory.

Cowcat · 10 January 2018, 22:04

Another one:

Some testers claimed that "unreleased alpha8" was good enough. So an updated r2.

As always: Better backup q3config.cfg and start clean.

Still alpha but has some good improvements like updated vm bytecode, undesired calculations & memory fixes...

jack-3d · 11 January 2018, 00:29

How about Amiga versus Amiga?

[ Show youtube player ]

Me

-> Cowcat

Cowcat · 11 January 2018, 09:50

@jack-3d

Cool ! Hope you can fix your Sonnet issues.

I see the sky missing as you said. Anyone with the same problem? On advanced code "out there" some stuff was bypassed related to sky rendering, but works for me: This is why I always point about "delete q3config.cfg".

jack-3d · 11 January 2018, 10:34

Yes, haven't deleted my cfg yet. Will test r2 this evening and then play with cfg.

Hedeon · 11 January 2018, 14:33

Should do a match one of these days :-)

Cowcat · 11 January 2018, 14:44

Quote:

Should do a match one of these days :-)

Yep. I'm good with Capture The Flag: Of course using allways my version on net

Some tips for I've seen:

Just when a clean q3config is created, insert seta s_initsound "1" on config if you have a working sound parameters. Also disable cg_lagometer -> unneeded graph test that happens to be "on" even on timedemo.

Time for a half working slideshow. It only works for client-local lan situations. So have a computer with an arena/server created and try to connect to it. My clumpsy WinUAE installation is too slow to do a damn thing.

If you are lucky to have this running , try to run a debugger to see why it doesn't work as the warpos version......

jack-3d · 11 January 2018, 15:12

Yeah, it would be great idea to do a match. But I dont have a server. If you have one, please share the IP and we can agree on some time when we meet. Me and my daughter plays CTF first map very often.

trixster · 11 January 2018, 16:55

Admission to the server is a photo of your setup to prove you're playing in an Amiga!

Cowcat · 12 January 2018, 15:55

Nice, nice review of this thread. Thanks to the Irish Amiga podcasters.

https://www.listennotes.com/e/d7bbd4...ae25a44b8e3b87

One subject that is commonly discussed is why the old PC Q3 version needed only 64 mb ram and here we need big amounts of it.

Answer: Windows has virtual ram on disk.

Maybe Thomas Richter's MMU libs have something to help in this situation?

10 January 2018, 22:04	#152
Cowcat Registered User Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Mallorca Posts: 758	Another one: Some testers claimed that "unreleased alpha8" was good enough. So an updated r2. As always: Better backup q3config.cfg and start clean. Still alpha but has some good improvements like updated vm bytecode, undesired calculations & memory fixes... Last edited by Cowcat; 03 September 2018 at 14:04.

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20 December 2017, 13:20	#141
Cowcat Registered User Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Mallorca Posts: 758	About some maps not working or randomly crashing: q3dm0 (the first level of full game) or q3dm7 have a weird issue that happens when portals/mirrors exist in the game level. Can't test q3dm0 -it hangs the game as soon is loaded- but loading q3dm7 using "devmap" you can test it. No bots. The teleport is near the open space where you see the lava. Going down there's a path open and you can see a skeleton & inside the room is the portal. If you don't pick objects or shoot, everything seems to work, the other side of the portal is viewed and you can cross. As soon you shoot or pick something there, game crashes. Now playing with bots is where the "randomness" happens: My theory is whatever bots do, picking objects or shooting when they are near the path of the portal you bet for a crash. It explains to me that only once I could do the whole match. Maybe updating the sources, bit by bit fix this weird problem. No problem with linux versions using same source. Marlon kindly updated stuff on github to the last alpha.

21 December 2017, 01:09	#142
BULI Registered User Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: Rzeszów Posts: 404	I can't hear sound/music in Q3. When I "turn on" sound (via config file or console) s_initsound 1 sndbits 8 (also tested without this option- nothing has changed) (from console addition snd_restart) I have freeze game and white screen after while loading in old sonnet.library (powerpc.library). With new Sonnet.libarary (powerpc.library) i have reset computer after while loading. I was trying 8bit DMA and 8bit stereo ++ I have AHI 4.18 Quake3 Alpha5 and Alpha7 without sound works fine. Any idea?

21 December 2017, 09:10	#143
Cowcat Registered User Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Mallorca Posts: 758	Hedeon found a working combination with different gfx settings and sound. Read on this thread.

21 December 2017, 13:45	#144
Cowcat Registered User Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Mallorca Posts: 758	Interesting: The levels mentioned before work when you create a multiplayer server with another computer & play against it: No crash and the 68k version works in that situation As a note 68k version only worked when a demo/timedemo was running. So the server side of this version is buggy & worked for WOS by the almighty powerpc magic.... Time to look at server side code.

23 December 2017, 00:53	#145
BULI Registered User Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: Rzeszów Posts: 404	I changed cvar "com_hunkmegs" to "48" and now Sound work fine. Probably was problem with memory. Thank you Hedeon and Cowcat.

23 December 2017, 18:21	#146
trixster Guru Meditating Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: England Posts: 2,337	Good suggestion, sound now works ok for me! It drops the "timedemo four" fps by about 3fps

29 December 2017, 09:58	#148
Reynolds Alien Breeder Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Szigetszentmiklos / Hungary Age: 46 Posts: 1,096	Could someone please summarize, where are we actually? Min specs, working/failing configs, needed data files' versions, etc. Thanks in advance.

29 December 2017, 21:58	#151
BULI Registered User Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: Rzeszów Posts: 404	Yes, it works, but sometimes, like in first demo map (with sound) is not enough free memory.

11 January 2018, 00:29	#153
jack-3d kLiker Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Brno / Czech Republic Posts: 371	How about Amiga versus Amiga? [ Show youtube player ] Me -> Cowcat

11 January 2018, 09:50	#154
Cowcat Registered User Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Mallorca Posts: 758	@jack-3d Cool ! Hope you can fix your Sonnet issues. I see the sky missing as you said. Anyone with the same problem? On advanced code "out there" some stuff was bypassed related to sky rendering, but works for me: This is why I always point about "delete q3config.cfg".

11 January 2018, 10:34	#155
jack-3d kLiker Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Brno / Czech Republic Posts: 371	Yes, haven't deleted my cfg yet. Will test r2 this evening and then play with cfg.

11 January 2018, 14:33	#156
Hedeon Semi-Retired Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Leiden / The Netherlands Posts: 1,993	Should do a match one of these days :-)

11 January 2018, 15:12	#158
jack-3d kLiker Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Brno / Czech Republic Posts: 371	Yeah, it would be great idea to do a match. But I dont have a server. If you have one, please share the IP and we can agree on some time when we meet. Me and my daughter plays CTF first map very often.

11 January 2018, 16:55	#159
trixster Guru Meditating Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: England Posts: 2,337	Admission to the server is a photo of your setup to prove you're playing in an Amiga!

12 January 2018, 15:55	#160
Cowcat Registered User Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Mallorca Posts: 758	Nice, nice review of this thread. Thanks to the Irish Amiga podcasters. https://www.listennotes.com/e/d7bbd4...ae25a44b8e3b87 One subject that is commonly discussed is why the old PC Q3 version needed only 64 mb ram and here we need big amounts of it. Answer: Windows has virtual ram on disk. Maybe Thomas Richter's MMU libs have something to help in this situation?

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